IT'S ON! Lashawn Merrit runs 19.78 wind legal!

wtfunny wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

One interesting thing to note.

Nearly all of Merritt's season bests in the 200m have come in April/May. Maybe this is the fastest we will see him run 200m this year.

I hope we DO see him run some more 200m races this year. If he's hitting that time in April, he'd have to have an excellent shot at winning the 200m at US champs and a medal, possibly gold, in Rio. I'd be super surprised if Bolt is running 19.78 shape at the moment.

I agree on the US champs but don't count Bolt out of the 200m. He is pretty much unbeatable at the event. If Gatlin can run 19.57 at 33 then Bolt at 29 still has some fire left in him.

I personally think Bolt will run much faster this year than last.

Metric Miler wrote:

I agree on the US champs but don't count Bolt out of the 200m. He is pretty much unbeatable at the event. If Gatlin can run 19.57 at 33 then Bolt at 29 still has some fire left in him.

I personally think Bolt will run much faster this year than last.

Gatlin hasn't had the injury problems Bolt has.

I wouldn't count him out. He's amazing. And I think he may well blow us all away again this year. Or he may be out injured.

But I doubt there's anyone else right now in 19.78 shape.

wtfunny wrote:

Your mathematics don't add up:

MJ was in 19.7 shape when he ran 43.18.

Merritt has the "best 400 endurance of any man ever".

"lashawn coud run as fast as 43.3 right now"

So

Merrit ruling 19.7 -> 43.3

MJ running 19.7 -> 43.18

no they do

19.70 with 43.18 -> 2.1918 ratio

19.78 with that ratio -> 43.36

i said lashawn coud run 43.3 right now, meaning 43.30

the math says lashawn has better endurance

Tell me again who has/had better 400 endurance?

i woud say lashawn

wtfunny wrote:I hope we DO see him run some more 200m races this year. If he's hitting that time in April, he'd have to have an excellent shot at winning the 200m at US champs and a medal, possibly gold, in Rio. I'd be super surprised if Bolt is running 19.78 shape at the moment.

lashawn says he won't double in rio as he says he has to dominate the 400 before considering doubles

i doubt even if he runs 19.5 by trials he will run the 200 in trials, so no 200 in rio

Your guess of MJ's 19.70 is just that. You already pointed out his SB was 19.93 when he ran the 400m WR. At 19.93 (time actually run, instead of a mythological fable), MJ had a stronger ratio.You also said

he wouda been in 19.7/19.8 shape in 43.29

about butch.

And you said that the way butch ran his WR is "not the way you run a 400m" ...... i.e., Butch's WR was capable of an even faster 400m.

Your "analyses" appear to be very inconsistent. Bordering on random.

i searched and found all this data, and no one has even looked at it

if merrit is sooooo badass and has the best 400m endurance than how is it that JW and Van both have slower 200m and 300m but better 400m than merrit?

Van has a way better chance at the record than merrit, look at the facts vent, dont use your mythical what if data...look at the ACTUAL data

400m-200m-300m

1) MJ : 43.18-19.32-30.85

2) BR : 43.29-20.46-32.05

3) JW: 43.45-20.19-31.61

4) VN : 43.48-19.94-31.63

5) QW: 43.50-20.50

6) LM : 43.65-19.78-31.30

7) IM : 43.72-19.96

8) KJ : 43.74-20.41

9) DE : 43.81-20.08-31.48

10) LE: 43.86A-20.40

11) SL: 43.87

lol forgot to post the data, again those are all the ACTUAL PR's not some mythical numbers crunched out of some formula. someone should make a graph of this data and post it

Wtfunny wrote:

Your guess of MJ's 19.70 is just that. You already pointed out his SB was 19.93 when he ran the 400m WR.

At 19.93 (time actually run, instead of a mythological fable), MJ had a stronger ratio.

You also said

he wouda been in 19.7/19.8 shape in 43.29

about butch.

And you said that the way butch ran his WR is "not the way you run a 400m" ...... i.e., Butch's WR was capable of an even faster 400m.

Your "analyses" appear to be very inconsistent. Bordering on random.

Random is almost correct. I think of it more in terms of evolution, a kind of guided randomness. Ventolins randomness is affected by trying to argue with everyone including those agreeing with him, often causing him to contradict himself.

i agree with spencer wrote:

i searched and found all this data, and no one has even looked at it

if merrit is sooooo badass and has the best 400m endurance than how is it that JW and Van both have slower 200m and 300m but better 400m than merrit?

Van has a way better chance at the record than merrit, look at the facts vent, dont use your mythical what if data...look at the ACTUAL data

Don't worry, nobody thinks Merritt has the best 400m endurance ever, even without that data.

Everyone knows it is between Wariner/Reynolds.

well looking at it though quincy watts only had a pr of 20.50 and had a 43.5 pr...looks like he might have had the best 400 endurance of all

please vent make a graph with the given data, i know you are smart enough to do it, then maybe you can use the graph to "prove" something...mostly i want to see a graph and some analysis of it

obviously you didn't follow him/sport back in '90s

19.93 was lauhable for 43.18

19.7 at worst, but no way a 19.3

again showing no clue about actual watching of guy from emergence-retirement

anyone who watched him wouda known he had to be at worst 19.7 in seville

nonsense

where did i say that ???

i have never said anything of the sort !!!

i have never stated anything about butch's splits other than their figures :

he split

21.4 / 21,8++

those maybe perfect splits to run a 400

1/2s

maybe ideal

the other guys have been going out too fast

eh ???

i never posted any comment about butch's splits

woeful

nonsense

the ideal splits for a 400 have not been mentioned much anywhere as all there is is vague split data analysed by not too analytical guys

the best split differential maybe 1/2s differential

enough with the insults and the annoying inserted quotes....your garbage bogs down my page with your long comments with the 2 million inserted quotes...ENOUGH

i give you real data and still you just ignore it and then argue with everyone and MAKE UP NUMBERS...

"learn some hard math" blah blah blah, tell me vent mr big shot know it all, master of insults, how much hard math does Bekele know? or Geb? or Mo, or Micheal Johnson? im pretty sure most track athletes are not MATH WIZARDS, nope they have something you dont and can never posses...athletic talent.

why dont you use you superior GENIUS and make a graph like i asked with the data i found from using google....i would think a man of you superior intellect would be able to find peoples PR's instead of flail about and say what you think they could have ran.

you boast you are super smart, so tell me what is a 51yr math wiz douche bag doing on LR when you are and never was a RUNNER? i would think you would be on some website arguing about what rubics cube method is better

and wejo and rojo before you think about deleting my previous comment, you should look at all vents negative, offensive, insulting, degrading comments he has had over the years. if he is paying for your website well too bad, espn fired schilling for being an a$$hole and you guys dont do anything about vent

i agree with spencer wrote:

and wejo and rojo before you think about deleting my previous comment, you should look at all vents negative, offensive, insulting, degrading comments he has had over the years. if he is paying for your website well too bad, espn fired schilling for being an a$$hole and you guys dont do anything about vent

+100000000000

ventolin^3 = 🐒

ventolin^3 wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:Random is almost correct

eh ???

random what ?

your analysis has been of what value ?

I think of it more in terms of evolution, a kind of guided randomness

eh ?

piece of advice

quoting nonsense biological science doesn't offer anything in hard numbers game

Ventolins randomness is affected by trying to argue with everyone including those agreeing with him, often causing him to contradict himself

joke ??

i have debated only with wrong opinions IMO, which have been lot on this thread

you have offered e^0.01

a cursory acquaintance with biology offers nothing

learn some hard math

I'm not talking about biology you actual imbecile.

Although you could do with learning some biology/physiology as your 'hard math' has no relation to human performance.

Your models are severely flawed, like I've said before, you are clearly no engineer. Just a maths guy who plays around with the figures and if your calculator says someone can run 1:30 for the 800m you present it as 'hard facts' with no actual thought process.

Math models have limitations and drawbacks. Any actual mathematician or engineer knows that. They are approximations attempting to describe and plot real life observations. You try to use yours like the Gospel and that's poor science.

You'd be laughed off any maths/engineering forums.

e^0.01 ~ 1 wtf are you talking about? Were you trying to be smart by saying I have offered 'zero' to the thread? Do you not even know that Euler's number raised to the power of 0 is 1?

.... He doesn't have Lashawns years of accumulated endurance ....

Kirani wallops Lashawn.

LOL

Finals

1 James, Kirani Nike 44.08D

2 Merritt, LaShawn Nike 44.22D

3 Taplin, Bralon Grenada 44.92

4 Verburg, David United States 45.03

5 Brown, Chris adidas 45.82

6 Yousif, Rabah Great Britain 46.14

7 Al-Masrahi, Yousef Nike 46.38

-- Santos, Luguelin Puma DNF

if Kirani doesn't have Merrit's endurance, he must have a helluva 200m time right now. Merrit, in WR shape, whupped by a guy with maybe 20s/200m speed and less endurance,

Calculate that for us.

As expected, Merritt has been working on his speed, doesn't have the endurance right now.

Over the season he will work on his special endurance for the 400m and improve that.

A good season opener and shows good things nevertheless.

Aside from all the bickering here, Des Moines had way less than half the weather they had last week or will have this upcoming week. Absolutely horrible conditions as a major spring storm/cold front passed through. Nonetheless, the race was as fast and competitive as I predicted. Hopefully, everyone stays healthy and we are a classic showdown in Rio.