The other dude wrote:
I can't believe the BROJOS went with this story for quote of the day.
How many "allegedly" can you fit in one sentence.
So if I make up a story how they doped and sign it with "Frank Shorter" and "Paula Radcliffe" and date it 1985 and 2005, are you going to publish it?
They didn't publish anything.
A Chinese news agency published the letter. LetsRun, as was the case with the NOP, merely reported on it.
70s and 80s wrote:
If they were really forced to take the drugs, that is absolutely sickening.
All drugs are sickening.
smile wrote:
They didn't publish anything.
A Chinese news agency published the letter. LetsRun, as was the case with the NOP, merely reported on it.
They didn't publish anything but they published the letter?
No, they didn't publish any letter. The entire story was conjecture.
They didn't but they didn't wrote:
They didn't publish anything but they published the letter?
No, they (LetsRun.com) didn't publish the letter
Nor did I ever write that they did.
They didn't but they didn't wrote:
No, they didn't publish any letter.
Glad you're catching on.
They didn't but they didn't wrote:
The entire story was conjecture.
As were the allegations against Lance, right?
They didn't but they didn't wrote:
No, they didn't publish any letter. The entire story was conjecture.
Very similar to the infamous ESPN article about Cierpinski. They claim they know someone who had access to STASI files and that someone says he read that Cierpinski took illegal PEDs.
Of course they never publish the letter or any details from it, including substances, names, etc.
smile wrote:
As were the allegations against Lance, right?
And the ones about you and your mom.
They didn't but they didn't wrote:
No, they didn't publish any letter. The entire story was conjecture.
The other guy! wrote:
Very similar to the infamous ESPN article about Cierpinski. They claim they know someone who had access to STASI files and that someone says he read that Cierpinski took illegal PEDs.
Of course they never publish the letter or any details from it, including substances, names, etc.
Like the Germans would ever show him anything.
He made it all up, which was a totally disgusting thing to do.
No, some can make you well if you are already sick.
They make you sick wrote:
70s and 80s wrote:If they were really forced to take the drugs, that is absolutely sickening.
All drugs are sickening.
German Guy 2 wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:Russian/ East German women had similar times and some even better on middle distances and sprints.
The only reason they did not run faster over 5 - 10km is it was not on the Olympic program and the 3,000m only came in during 80's
It would be nice if you had facts for once to back up your claims.
East German record over 1500m would be Christiane Wartenberg 3:57.
That is 7 seconds behind Wang or in other words - an eternity.
Here is a fact:
3:52.47 Tatyana Kazankina (URS)
Looks like the letter is being taken serious, it's was mentioned on Al Jerzeera and the BBC, no mention on the U.S. national news yet.
The other guy! wrote:
They didn't but they didn't wrote:No, they didn't publish any letter. The entire story was conjecture.
Very similar to the infamous ESPN article about Cierpinski. They claim they know someone who had access to STASI files and that someone says he read that Cierpinski took illegal PEDs.
Of course they never publish the letter or any details from it, including substances, names, etc.
Not similar at all, actually.
The documents were found by Werner Franke.
But don't take my word for it, email him and ask for yourself:
w.franke@dkfz-heidelberg.de.
I've always been highly suspicious of her, and someone told to me this morning that Sonia O’Sullivan admitted doping in 1994 to her in a training session. What a rotten runner! I hope she returns her medals so they can go to the rightful winners!
Sonia never did that.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Sonia never did that.
Were you there? I think not, or else you would have known this.
agip wrote:
what would be awesome of Koch, Kratoch, the chinese all had a press conference and admitted their druggy drug ways.
They take one for the team, the record is wiped out and the sport improves.
It'll never happen, but I can dream
and I know the top 10 or 20 w1500 times are all drugged.
but if they love the sport...imagine the headlines
You say "they take one for the team", but they played for the OTHER team.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I don't think the track was short. At least not that much. You would have had men also running very, very fast. Didn't really see that.
Starting from the wrong line makes the most sense to me, although that seems pretty hard to pull off, so I can't really buy into that fully either.
You think they started at the wrong starting line by ... 100m do you?
What happened in the 10,000m then? They dropped 1 full lap? Or do you think that it is normal to run a time in an Olympic event that nobody approaches for 23 years and the last half is run faster than the Pre-EPO WR?
Or are you of the opinion that a runner could just do that and then never have another performance close to that?
J.R. wrote:
J.R. wrote:Radcliffe's 2:15 would compare to about a 28:48 10,000m for a woman, and has to be the dirtiest record on the books.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
How can it be dirty if drugs don't work?
Because drugs are against the rules, and Radcliffe uses said rules to have competitors banned, in my opinion what the drug fiasco's all about. Plus it is quite strange that Radcliffe's the only woman who's bettered 2:17. Many men have bettered 2:17, but no other women. There are other ways to be dirty besides using drugs. However we know for fact that Radcliffe has used the drug rules more than any other runner, to have people banned, and to eliminate competition.
Who has she had banned?
newname wrote:
You think they started at the wrong starting line by ... 100m do you?
What happened in the 10,000m then? They dropped 1 full lap? Or do you think that it is normal to run a time in an Olympic event that nobody approaches for 23 years and the last half is run faster than the Pre-EPO WR?
Or are you of the opinion that a runner could just do that and then never have another performance close to that?
The New York Times and Track and Field News had correspondents there. The correct distance was covered.
Here's a couple really neat videos of Ma's army. They're only in Chinese, but still really interesting to watch.
TrackCoach wrote:
re: "Renato Canova has said, never in history has a group of female athletes ever trained so hard.
The primary benefit of doping is the ability to train harder, no smart athlete shows up to competitions with dope in their system. Beyond the obvious reasons to suspect the Chinese where doping is how fast they ran in preliminary races. No athlete who intends to set a world record would waste energy running superfast in a preliminary round. Unless, that athlete is so doped up that they don’t realize their capabilities. Also, I find it interesting that the Chinese track were some of the records were set was torn up a few months later.
I guess people could debate what "primary benefit" means but the drugs that distance runners take make your muscles stronger (steroids), make them repair themselves faster and in a stronger state (corticoids), build the capillary network stronger and denser (steroids and HGH), build the power and density of the mitochondria (steroids and HGH), and raise the rate of oxygen delivery by increasing the size and the density of RBCs in the blood (both steroids and EPO, aranesp and the like -- they work better when combined). Amphetamines, Bronchodilators (clenbuterol), and Synthroid have metabolic affects and others. All of these things affect your ability in competition.
They all help your ability to train harder also, but that doesn't mean that they BY THEMSELVES don't improve your ability.