Did the Beijing WC prove that Arthur Lydiard method is outdated?

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10 years ago 09/02/2015 11:01pm EDT

re: truth be told.

truth be told. wrote:
TruthSayer wrote:
Even if Jenny Simpson's shoe had been left on she would have gotten destroyed in the last 800m. She trains more aerobically than most.
All the aerobic mileage in the world can't help you run that 51 second 400m that Kiprop dropped.
It's speed and lots of it that is proving to be the difference maker. Centrowitz found that out in the last 300m when a whole host of athletes blew by him. Tempo runs after a race ain't helping you here, son.
You obviously have no concept of basic Exercise Physiology principles. Read up on the "Size Principle". You first recruit slow twitch fibers. If you work them long enough to tire them, then you start to recruit fast twitch fibers. Hence, the believe in "LSD" training and how it develops speed too. Take it a step further- do some LSD training (2+ hrs) and then sprint at the end (or progression run/tempo effort).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henneman%27s_size_principle

However, if t recruit those fast twitch doing long runs you make them for fatigue resistant. You need to do the speed work (working above lactate threshold) to recruit them and maintain their ability to produce force rapidly as needed in sprint.

10 years ago 09/03/2015 12:30am EDT

re: not dale carnegie

not dale carnegie wrote:
A Fresh batch wrote:
So why didn't Arthur just come up with a new batch of NZ athletes every five years or so? He lived for another 40 years.
By contrast the Africans have been prominent every year since Keino .
Let's also not lose sight of the fact that only Snell actually ran what would be considered really fast today.
Lydiard was not just a great coach; he was great at pissing people off.

Indeed. Anyone ever notice that Lydiard is NOT in OBE? Ever wonder why?

10 years ago 09/03/2015 1:18am EDT

re: fadsfasfds

fadsfasfds wrote:
Indeed. Anyone ever notice that Lydiard is NOT in OBE? Ever wonder why?

Actually, he did have an OBE, plus being a member of the Order of New Zealand, the country's highest honour.

I'm not saying he wasn't an abrasive personality though. His falling out with Snell is but one example of that.

10 years ago 09/03/2015 10:10am EDT

re: rekrunner

The basis of Lydiard's method is spending a lot of time training aerobically before moving on to the more intensive hill reps and track work. It is a bit more complex than this but that is it's essence.

The vast majority of top level runners still adhere to this but it is now widely recognised that there are more ways of training aerobically than the sustained long distance runs favoured by Lydiard. eg, an 800m runner doing a session of 6-8x1000 round an undulating grass circuit with no more than 60 seconds recovery is training almost entirely aerobically - but Lydiard would have called this an interval session and would not have had his athletes do it in the build up phase. (Steve Ovett did very similar sessions to this almost weekly during his winter training)

10 years ago 09/03/2015 7:41pm EDT

re: coach d

coach d wrote:
These days, just about everyone, including....
Usain Bolt, Glen Mills
Peter Coe
Said Aouita
Abdelkader Kada (El Guerrouj's coach)
Jama Aden
Ethioipians (Kostre)
Canova.....
use concurrent training. You train all systems all the time, only varying the relative emphasis of various systems. All of these people, particularly including El Guerrouj and the Ethiopians, do intervals all season. These intervals go from aerobic power to short intervals/short rest over the season, but they are intervals. And, obviously, people training this way are going much faster than Lydiard's people. If Lydiard actually worked as claimed, all those 800 people cheating with suspicious blood profiles would be using Lydiard. The reason they don't is that it doesn't work as well.
But the Lydiard cultist wannabe's can't train that hard, so they write big numbers for mileage in their log books and make believe they're athletes. They wouldn't survive a week on a Jama Aden plan.

No one would without PEDs.

P.S. You do know that Peter Coe isn't coaching anymore?

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