Oregon and Cheserek should be ashamed and embarrassed

^ A Duck using an alternate name.

Anyone who dares not kiss the foul end of the fowl is a hater? Sorry moron, I am not 'a hater' of Oregon. I have many friends who are Duck alums who are embarrassed by the Ducks and their lack of class and adult supervision, as well.

Tell Zuckerman 'hi' for me at your next soiree. Or King Zuck as like to call him. ;-)

I don't dislike Arkansas or their fans, who have been much more dominant, because they don't make posts like this. You're not disliked because of your success, your disliked because you are classless.

Love the hate wrote:

steve dildarian wrote:

I don't dislike Arkansas or their fans, who have been much more dominant, because they don't make posts like this. You're not disliked because of your success, your disliked because you are classless.

What is classless about my post? Calling young men in college "pricks" and all the venom about Cheserek is classless.

HE IS CALLING THE OREGON DUCKS BEHAVIOR ON THE T&F CLASSLESS, NOT YOUR POST DIRECTLY.

Stupid DUCK.

I've given up trying to find one mention of the fact that at any one point, 4-5 storied programs could have taken the lead during the last leg of that race. It's called racing and it's called college. These young men probably had instructions from their coaches and we're doing their best to manage it. In the end, heck of a race. Lots of fun. I would pay to see that scenario again.

The frothing venom for all things related to the state of Oregon or Nike around here is absurd. Let's be frank here, if this was any other school - we wouldn't be having this discussion. Let's not kid ourselves.

Malmo, take some time off. A Duck, take a break - you're just fanning the flames. The both of you should just check out for a couple of years and get some life perspective. We appreciate your input, but it's time for you both to go outside and play.

I share some of the frustration. Powell seems to try to out-think himself sometimes. I'd love to see him let his guys try to do something special and take a risk from time to time. I know winning is the number one goal, and I was as pumped as anyone to see the Ducks go 1, 2, 3 indoors, but as a fan I'd also like to see them take a shot at some great times/performances or not always be content to just sit and kick. Does Cheserek ever get bored not running all out?

That being said, I think the biggest issue here was one of strategy and not anything to do with respect of the field. Cheserek has been out-kicked by next to no one and he did beat Williamsz the day before. Malmo, why does Williamsz get a pass for not pushing the pace at all? Just because he ended up winning? What if the result had been the same as in the DMR?

There were 4-5 teams that were all even 300 meters in. After that they ran something like a 68/66. Those guys didn't run that hard to catch up, and after a 68, they could have easily gone earlier. It's not all on Ches, although he was clearly the instigator. I didn't like the strategy, as a fan or from a simple strategy standpoint, as letting it go that slow against a sub 1:47 guy is not to Cheserek's advantage. On the flip side, I think the other guys are getting too much of a pass with all of the blame on Cheserek.

Because Cheserek was the overwhelming favorite. 99 times out of 100, he would win that race. Instead he chose to turn the race into an all out 200m, which just plain dumb. Why would Williamsz have pushed the pace? He would been destroyed by Cheserek on the last lap just like Soratos. Williamsz ran the smartest race because he knew that was the only reasonable way to win. That deserves way more respect.

Cheserek gets blamed because he was arrogant in thinking he could beat Williamsz at his own race.

What was the nordic ski race years back where the top two guys stopped at the top of a hill because neither wanted to lead?

Lol how embarrassing. I thought runners were supposed to be tough. Those guys in the last leg looked like ninnies who didn't want to get their feet wet.

I'll chip in that that race was massively entertaining to watch, even knowing who won.

Obvi Chez or whoever designed that raceplan likely made a big mistake cause Oregon lost, but what's not to like as a fan?

Which would you rather?See another 3:58 mile and a 10 meter win? or see that craziness? I'll take the craziness thanks.

agip wrote:

Which would you rather?See another 3:58 mile and a 10 meter win? or see that craziness? I'll take the craziness thanks.

And two teams beating the collegiate record, possibly both of them breaking 16:00? I'll take that any day over a crazy demolition derby.

I think it was an awesome race to watch - people complain about European races being paced week in week out, then they complain when one turns in to one of the most tactical races I've ever seen.

Interesting that this race as generated more discussion that any other race that week end.

Having watched Jordy race during his high school days, I wasn't surprised by the result.

Has everyone noticed that it is always Oregon that gets the sport of collegiate and American track and field in the news. This is what we've been wanting for years -- some publicity for our sport. I mean, it's Ashton Eaton, or Jenna Prandini, or Galen Rupp or Laura Roessler or Centro or AJ Acosta or Cheserek or Pepiot or Wheating or Lananna or Phil Knight or the Olympic Trials, or the World Championships, or ...and on and on. Let's face it, for the first time in years, we actually have a university that is drawing some attention to our sport.

I have a question:

Why cant we europeans watch USATF-TV or Penn Relays etc? Theres nobody as far as I know here in Scandinavia bying the rights to these races, why cant we get to watch them??

This is great.

Not a Pro wrote:

What was the nordic ski race years back where the top two guys stopped at the top of a hill because neither wanted to lead?

Thats happened a few times between the Norwegians and Italians. Lately the Norweigans have one guy who is completely supreme in the finish who refuses to take the lead. Something somewhat like this happened during this years WC where the swede forced the Norwegian (Northug) to take the lead to avoid letting the 3, and not really dangerous guy, getting too far ahead.

Wasn't it the World Cup where Virgin literally stopped to let Yifter, who was by far the better kicker, take the lead? And that was an eventual two time World xC champ (who, in turn, won one of those titles only because the Ethiopians ahead of him miscounted laps?). The fact that no one knows for sure what the best tactical approach is, or that that depends on others' choice of tactics is what makes races interesting. The sport has come to be so thoroughly dominated by time trials that people have forgotten the other side of racing.

Ches and or his coach gambled on a strategy and lost that gamble. The armchair quartebacks on here may think it was a dumb gamble and maybe it was. Fine. But if you've never made a bad bet, you've never been to the casino.

And I'm no fan of UO or, most especially, Nike or A Duck. But Malmo, you really don't need to be calling individual runners on a college team 'pricks'. However you might hope to be remembered in the sport, it can't be the sort of peron who calls 20 year old kids whom he doesn't know personally, that.

You're grasping at straws. That race is as different from this one as night and day. Virgin wasn't disrespecting his competition, he was trying to get him to share some of the burden. Cheserek wasn't merely "gambling" on a strategy, he was showing disdain for his fellow competitors. Cheserek is no 20 year old, he's a man among boys.