if you are a sub-3:30 guy you are not going to waste time
on running 27 flat for 10000m and get beaten by a bunch of
Ethiopians/Kenyans anyway.
if you are a sub-3:30 guy you are not going to waste time
on running 27 flat for 10000m and get beaten by a bunch of
Ethiopians/Kenyans anyway.
26'30 - 40 ???
you are joking
over-estimate his speed ???
a 1'42.8 offered is only fractional faster than asbel & baala who both went 1'43.1 & couda probably gone sub-1'43 if former paced 800 races better & latter had actually run more than the 1 serious 800 effort that year in rieti
those 2 coudn't hold his jockstrap over 1500 & both were also considered "strength" not "speed" 1500 guys at the time
we are talking about hicham's 10k ability in '98 ( or even '99 if you prefer )
no chance close to 27-flat in '98 or '99
yyy wrote:if you are a sub-3:30 guy you are not going to waste time
on running 27 flat for 10000m and get beaten by a bunch of
Ethiopians/Kenyans anyway.
there have been plenty of kenyans ~ 3'30
they woudn't run a 10k because they woud get beaten by themselves ?!
do you think Kiprop is stepping to be beaten by Farah, Jeilan,
Merga etc...???
we are not talking 3'30 guy facing 26'40 guys, but facing 2nd rate kenyans of ~ 27-flat ability in a low profile 10k
3'30 guy still woudn't get close to these 2nd raters
ventolin^3 wrote:
name one sub-3'30 guy who ever went 27'30 in same season
Aouita?
well I am!!!!
OK. let's just accept that we agree to disagree.
no 1500 worth bothering with in '86
he ran a 3'50.33 mile which is a long way from a 3'30
he was injured leading upto '86 & lost lotta speedwork & decided to go for 5k/10k that year
he wasn't a 1500 threat that year
ventolin^3 wrote:
name one sub-3'30 guy who ever went 27'30 in same season
Well, Daniel Komen could have easily run 27:30 in August of 1997, when he ran 3:29.46 and 12:39.74.
Ventolin with all respect, aren't you trusting the jundo predictor way too much or at least the 400.
I get for Rudisha 3:26.38 with 45.5/1:41 and if i slower the 400 by one second i get 3:22.98 and if one sec faster still 3:29.78. This is rubbish for fast type of 800 runner coming from 400m SPRINT distance. Not only, but i also get random numbers for myself, if i use my 400 pb. My values for 5k/10k is "about" 17.30/36.00+ but my 400/800 aren't definately 1:15.25/2:35.21.
Do you see the problem there? The predictor thinks 400m AS A ENDURACE DISTANCE rather than sprint distance. I've run 56 for 400m. There should read "not shorter than 800m or 1500m distances" because 75 second for 400 is interval/tempo run pace. If i put 56/2:00 i get 14:42/31:04 and i know for a fact i can't run long distances that fast. But i still think jundo gives good predictions for longer distances, when example 1500/3000 is known and 5000 is the coming event.
Scanned the thread and didn't see a proper video posted
Good speed from old man Bob Tahri too. About 53.5
Always liked watching Old Bob race.
ventolin^3 wrote:
26'30 - 40 ???
you are joking
over-estimate his speed ???
a 1'42.8 offered is only fractional faster than asbel & baala who both went 1'43.1 & couda probably gone sub-1'43 if former paced 800 races better & latter had actually run more than the 1 serious 800 effort that year in rieti
those 2 coudn't hold his jockstrap over 1500 & both were also considered "strength" not "speed" 1500 guys at the time
we are talking about hicham's 10k ability in '98 ( or even '99 if you prefer )
no chance close to 27-flat in '98 or '99
Having been training at the same places as Baala several times, and also watched Hicham in training (although not to the same extent) I can ensure you that those are completely different animals. Baala would beat Hicham in a 400, but Hicham would completely destroy Baala at 10000 (2 minutes or more). Different animals and very different training.
Hicham trained 95% like a distance runner.
Kiprop is probably something in between. I would not be surprised if he did below 27.30, maybe low 27 with specific preparation.
To illustrate the difference
Baala could do 200m in below 22 from a standing start.
Hicham maybe 23.5?
Considering El Guerrouj supposedly did his 300m intervals in 35, he could easily run 22. People need to realize that out of all mid-distance guys, El Guerrouj and Komen probably had the most range. And as for kicks, Guerrouj split 1:46 for his last 800 of his 2004 olympic final 1500, going 54.x and 51.9.
All this talk about Farah is complete bullshit, because I seriously doubt Mo could come even close to that in his prime. And El Guerrouj was well past his prime by then, being 30. He set his world records when he was 23-25 years old.
Lastly, I don't think any is going to touch Komen's 7:20.67 for a while, as no one has gotten with in 2.5 seconds of it EVER. Guerrouj is #2 all-time with 7:23
"It's important to work on your tactics," Farah said. "I got a text from my coach, Alberto Salazar, saying to wait until the last lap, and I did.
ya right mo
like you haven't been doin that all along
they got no one to blame at the worlds if they don't put it up to him
hauki wrote:
Ventolin with all respect, aren't you trusting the jundo predictor way too much or at least the 400.
I get for Rudisha 3:26.38 with 45.5/1:41 and if i slower the 400 by one second i get 3:22.98 and if one sec faster still 3:29.78. This is rubbish for fast type of 800 runner coming from 400m SPRINT distance. Not only, but i also get random numbers for myself, if i use my 400 pb. My values for 5k/10k is "about" 17.30/36.00+ but my 400/800 aren't definately 1:15.25/2:35.21.
Do you see the problem there? The predictor thinks 400m AS A ENDURACE DISTANCE rather than sprint distance. I've run 56 for 400m. There should read "not shorter than 800m or 1500m distances" because 75 second for 400 is interval/tempo run pace. If i put 56/2:00 i get 14:42/31:04 and i know for a fact i can't run long distances that fast. But i still think jundo gives good predictions for longer distances, when example 1500/3000 is known and 5000 is the coming event.
Agreed. Someone with common sense.
BlehBleh wrote:
Considering El Guerrouj supposedly did his 300m intervals in 35, he could easily run 22. People need to realize that out of all mid-distance guys, El Guerrouj and Komen probably had the most range. And as for kicks, Guerrouj split 1:46 for his last 800 of his 2004 olympic final 1500, going 54.x and 51.9.
All this talk about Farah is complete bullshit, because I seriously doubt Mo could come even close to that in his prime. And El Guerrouj was well past his prime by then, being 30. He set his world records when he was 23-25 years old.
Lastly, I don't think any is going to touch Komen's 7:20.67 for a while, as no one has gotten with in 2.5 seconds of it EVER. Guerrouj is #2 all-time with 7:23
How do you know El G was past his prime?
This Ryun's 36,6 is not that big thing as many people
think. The point is that Ryun ran slow 800 just under 2.04
and the important third lap was also a slow one. For example
J-P Herold ran in Split EuroC. 3.38,3. His slits were
2.04,8 and then third lap 55,4. Last 300m 38,1. Last
curve Herold ran wide and it was probably worth 37,8.
No doubt Herold with 58 third lap could have run sub 37.
And Herold was only 3.32-3.33 runner. Far from vintage
Coe or Cram.
Acetracking wrote:This Ryun's 36,6 is not that big thing as many people
what part of chewed up dirt track from a 10k run before don't you get ???
36.5 wouda been helluva lot faster on a synthetic - try more like low/mid-35s