How many of you conceal carry on a regular basis?

POMPATUS OF LOVE wrote:

so I'm buying my 13 yr old son his first gun for Christmas. I'm thinking Mossberg 12 Gauge pump. Your thoughts?

Lol you are a miserable troll.

". . . conceal carry . . ."

Why do bullet-heads insist on using use these meaningless euphemisms?

Why not just say "carry a hidden gun?"

Does the word "gun" have too many negative connotations? Or is just jargon intended to impress other bullet-heads?

I'd actually prefer that the laws require guns to be carried openly. That way, the criminals will know who they need to shoot first.

After all, guns don't kill people; people who carry guns do.

Probably because that's what law enforcement agencies that issue the licenses call them.http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+ccw+permit

Bobaloo wrote:

". . . conceal carry . . ."

Why do bullet-heads insist on using use these meaningless euphemisms?

Why not just say "carry a hidden gun?"

Does the word "gun" have too many negative connotations? Or is just jargon intended to impress other bullet-heads?

I'd actually prefer that the laws require guns to be carried openly. That way, the criminals will know who they need to shoot first.

After all, guns don't kill people; people who carry guns do.

I haven't read past the first contributor, and I could not hope to articulate a more persuasive argument than this gentleman expressed. Still, I feel compelled to weigh in at the implication that I, a 59 year old man who has not touched a gun since boy Scouts, is not considered a "responsible citizen" by the original poster. If I may ask, exactly what was it about the horror of the Colorado movie theater shootings that made me no longer a "responsible citizen," in the posters view, simply because I walk the world unarmed?

For starters, in the chance of any given day, my encountering the type of attack that took place in the Colorado theater are not less than one in a million, but more like one in a trillion. Second, in this extremely unlikely circumstance, my having a gun, and actually using it in such circumstances, would be, as the first poster suggests, far more dangerous than my being unarmed.

Here is the mark of a "responsible citizen": a person who thinks carefully and cogently about the problems this country faces and tries to contribute to public discourse and decision making accordingly. A "responsible citizen" makes an effort to make his community a better place and contributes to organizations to advance that objective. Carrying a concealed weapon is not a short cut to the high standard of becoming a "responsible citizen." Go back and read Plato's Republic.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with good citizens doing nothing while evil triumphs. You can even brag about how you did nothing at the next cocktail party with all the other do nothings, and they'll slap their hands all over your back.

POMPATUS OF LOVE wrote:

so I'm buying my 13 yr old son his first gun for Christmas. I'm thinking Mossberg 12 Gauge pump. Your thoughts?

12 gauge might be a bit bit for him unless he's a bigger kid. What is the gun going to be used for primarily? I've taken deer with a 20 gauge slug.

Any reason you are leaning towards a shotgun over a rifle? Do you hunt ducks or geese?

neanderthal dream wrote:

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I have provided data that show many of your fears about CCW holders are false, or jaded at the very least. I have listed responsibilities gun owners should take upon themselves to eliminate the risks associated with gun ownership. Others have provided examples that show "the rest of the world" is divided on gun laws and the resultant crime rates.

And your response is "you are not free." I am free within the bounds of the law, to which I comply. I see it as an immoral and condescending encroachment on my rights to suggest I would be better off any other way.

I'm not worried about CCW per se. I am worried about people with handguns. They will use them. The numbers

bear this out.

Where is a place worse off when handgun ownership is proscribed? Canada has lots of criminals with handguns, and a gun murder rate of 0.3/100k. The US has a rate of 3/100k, 10x higher. People in Canada are safer from gun-related crime because there are fewer handguns, despite the fact that criminals have a lot of handguns.

You would be better off without a gun, in numerous ways. But you have, "the right" to own one, so knock yourself out.

err..meant to say a bit big for him.

My 5 year old shoots a .410 shotgun pretty well and takes out squirrels with his .22 rifle.

Reasonable Everyday Guy wrote:

924-CGV wrote:

This thread makes me so happy and proud to live in a country where guns are illegal.

You guys honestly scare the p!ss out of me.

The odds of you getting hurt/killed by someone carrying with a permit are astronomically small. Things like airplane engines coming through your roof and killing you, presumably this also scares the piss out of you?

I'm not necessarily a proponent of knuckleheads carrying guns, but the idea that it somehow significantly endangers you is asinine.

I'm glad that where you live is "safe" though. Making things illegal generally keep criminals from using them...

I can't get shot by someone who isn't carrying a gun.

Frankly, that's the end of that. You can argue about your right or need or desire to carry a gun as much as you like. That's not relevant at all to my personal feelings on the matter. Feelings that you surely aren't going to change.

Guns are dangerous and have a very specific purpose: to scare/injure/incapacitate/kill. Yes, that scares me greatly since that's the entire purpose of a gun in the first place.

And yeah, where I live is safe in terms of gun crime. Meaning there is hardly none. Even the majority of the police don't carry guns.

That's not to say there's no danger, but danger does not really exist in the form of guns. So I am happy and proud of that and wish such a scenario worked elsewhere.

If you expect to be taken seriously, sir, I suggest you advance an opinion after some thought, and not rely on silly stereotypes. I don't attend cocktail parties. Carrying a gun doesnot, as the original poster suggests, make one a "responsible citicen," nor does the decision not to carry a weapon amount to a capitulation to evil. People act as responsible citizens, and combat evil for that matter, in any number of ways other than carrying a concealed weapon. I suspect you are well aware of that. I urge you to start thinking seriously and stop shooting from the hip.

John O'Donnell wrote:

If I may ask, exactly what was it about the horror of the Colorado movie theater shootings that made me no longer a "responsible citizen," in the posters view, simply because I walk the world unarmed?

I think you interpreted my statement backwards. I don't mean that carrying a gun makes you responsible, but that already responsible citizens should carry. I respect that it's a choice and that some people just don't want to, and that's fine. It's more a suggestion than a qualification.

Those without actual experience need to read Rory Miller (Meditations on Violence and Facing Violence) before kidding themselves about what a violent attack is like. He covers the realities you need to face: legal (if you didn't exhaust all alternatives and turn a chest-thumping confontation into a lethal one you're going to jail); personal (do you actually have the capacity to inflict lethal damage? Most people don't, even when lives are threatened); physiological (when the adrenaline dump hits your motor skills go right out the window); and experiential (most attacks are nothing like what you've practiced for).

924-CGV wrote:

I can't get shot by someone who isn't carrying a gun.

I understand the line of thinking you're following, but it's a pipe dream. The US is not a country where gun prohibition would work. We can debate that, if you want, but I'll leave it there for now.

924-CGV wrote:

Guns are dangerous and have a very specific purpose: to scare/injure/incapacitate/kill. Yes, that scares me greatly since that's the entire purpose of a gun in the first place.

Can you expand on this? Because I don't understand it.

The fact that a gun is made to kill makes you scared of it? Do you have a fear of the gun itself? Do you also fear your military? Because killing is the only reason it exists.

Also, it sounds like you believe protection from gun violence to be the only reason people carry guns. The guy across the hall from me got severely beaten and robbed by a group of teenagers a few months ago walking from the bus stop to our apartment complex. No weapons involved, just fists. But a gun in his hands might have saved him a trip to the hospital.

LR D-bag wrote:

Running on Empathy wrote:

For those interested, some of us do carry while we run. I've found a simple clip-on holster tucked into the front of the shorts works best. Keep it lightweight and a thin profile. Get one of thsoe subcompact or snubnose revolvers that are under 15 oz. Don't go any smaller in caliber than 9mm or 32NAA for subcompacts, and nothing smaller than 327 federal for a snubnose (although the lightest snubnoses only come in 38/357 at this time).

.....why?

Could you be more specific?

Are you asking why I carry? why I reccommend certain calibers or types of firearms? what?

I will agree that the immature and the left-leaning types should not be allowed anywhere near firearms since neither has the cognitive ability to see guns as what they are - a simple tool, an implement if you will, most useful in defending oneself from violent attack since it allows the potential victim the safety of distance from the attacker(s) as opposed to a knife or pepper spray.

jewbacca wrote:

POMPATUS OF LOVE wrote:

so I'm buying my 13 yr old son his first gun for Christmas. I'm thinking Mossberg 12 Gauge pump. Your thoughts?

Lol you are a miserable troll.

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I got my first gun around the same age, second-hand .410. I mostly shot a 20 gauge pump (Remington), which may be a bit better for a 13 year old. Had already been hunting around a year at that point and first started shooting actual guns around the age of 10 or 11.

I assume this would be for bird hunting?

He's obviously trolling. He's been posting inflammatory comments to both sides in this thread. Hilarious, but still a troll.

POMPATUS OF LOVE wrote:

but Canada's idea of a street gang is a couple of whitebread nerds taking a kid's lunch money on the playground.

Compare to the bloods, crips, etc. Bro'

Don't forget the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK.

not a ccw license holder wrote:

Probably because that's what law enforcement agencies that issue the licenses call them.

[quote]Bobaloo wrote:

According to your first link, the term CCW has a broad meaning. It can apply to pepper spray too. The poster is talking about carrying a concealed gun.

Why not just say that?

The English language isn't dangerous in trained hands.

The Fartist wrote:

Agreed. Nothing wrong with good citizens doing nothing while evil triumphs. You can even brag about how you did nothing at the next cocktail party with all the other do nothings, and they'll slap their hands all over your back.