Only time you catch me sportin' a beard is when I got my face buried between some broad's stems.
Only time you catch me sportin' a beard is when I got my face buried between some broad's stems.
Well apparently clean-shaven stud is a man… as evidenced by his ability to take care of his family, be respectful in society, blah blah. A man he may be, but still a baby face. Its ok buddy, a lot of grown men have yet to go through puberty. Don’t worry, one day you’ll notice hair growing in places you didn’t know it could grow… one of them being your face.To offer another piece of evidence that growing a beard is the manly thing to do: jesus (and probably God) BOTH had (have) beards. Are they missing some personality traits and therefore need to grow a beard to make up for that? Or are YOU just not manly enough to grow a beard and therefore regularly shave your face to hide your shame from society?FYI, I was in a fraternity and had a full beard for about 70% of my time in college. And I can probably beat you in a race= more manly (hey, I have a 50% chance of being right on that last one, which means on an anonymous message board that statement is FACT).
clean-shaven stud wrote:
Old Beard Man wrote:I see that clean-shaven 'stud' has added an additional dozen or so posts to combat my, er, three. I'd say you're doing a 'damn good job' too, son! Haha!
I don't even know where to start! The fact that CS'S' is still quoting me 4 pages later (in apparent fury) is quite the honor, citing a single statement as reason to produce 20 or 30 posts defending his baby-smooth flesh. Also, why do you keep referencing your other adult responsibilities - taking care of the kids, etc - while simultaneously listing woman conquering experiences (Pg. 2:11)?
I guess, in my mind, the two contradict. To me, conquering women does not equal manliness or masculinity. It's the opposite. It shows insecurity and the need for frequent validation. Number of sexual partners is irrelevant. Instead, I'd argue that it's your ability (or inability) to connect with and understand your metaphysical relationship to women - socially, sexually, emotionally, etc. - that quantifies your manliness. You'll notice I said nothing in my Pg. 1 post about beards being a good vehicle for crushing tail, though they do lead to more attention from women. They simply encourage introspection (this is why you so often see wise men stroke their beards while thinking), which signifies wisdom and confidence.
Anyway, I digress. You shouldn't take this too personally. Many 'men' - sexually defined as such - don't have beards, and many of them are my friends. I was just trying to shed some light on the OP's situation.
I knew I could get you back in the ring (and with a much more conciliatory tone, I see)!
Grey Beard, my man, if you're going to defend your post, at least be honest. It's the manly thing to do!
Your clear implication in your Pg. 1 post was that women will be more sexually attracted to you in some kind of subconscious, primal way. Consider this statement of yours:
"...though she wouldn't be able to identify it as such and merely thinks, "gee, what a sexy fvcking man."
Because you implied or stated outright that women are more attracted to bearded men, I will admit that much of my posting has focused on "crushing tail" and whether women are attracted to facial hair or not. I don't apologize for my desire for hot women (though I have only one at the moment). It has nothing to do with validation. I can't help it if I have a strong libido and attract hot women. I like lots and lots of sex and I get it.
My continued posting also serves another purpose. I believe you misled the OP, as well as what appear to be some rather young pups on this thread. I feel a duty to re-educate these guys from your misinformation. Otherwise, they might go through life wondering, "My buds tell my beard is so cool. Grey Beard said women would swoon over it. Why can't I get a hot chick to pay attention to me?" (No, no, guys, don't flood the thread with appreciation. The knowledge that I helped just one of you get the tail of your life is all the thanks I need).
Now, to that end, here’s what I've learned from this thread so far...
Many who post here are young fellas in college or just out. They feel inferior to older men and feel they are at a disadvantage in the workplace, job interviews, etc., due to their youthfulness. The repeated posts about being taken more seriously and being told they look older and more mature with a beard are dead giveaways. Nothing necessarily wrong with that. We were all young pups at one time. Besides, nobody wants to be told they look like a 22-year-old frat boy and it's tempting to cover it up with a "manly" beard.
Some men who grow beards - not all - do so to compensate for their lack of confidence around other men. Witness the many posts referring to the extra “respect” they get from other guys when they grow a beard. They want admiration and acceptance into the brotherhood of men. I understand. It’s a natural desire. We want the respect of our peers and their acknowledgment of our manliness. When beard-growers perceive an uptick in this by growing facial hair, this makes them feel accepted and valued by their buddies and other men, thus they are more confident. They don’t get enough respect from their peers and co-workers for who they are as a person, so they grow hair on their face to get it. In short, they think that facial hair=manliness=respect, instead of any number of other traits, like upholding their responsibilities as a father or husband, fidelity to their partner, career success, higher intelligence, good looks, athletic prowess or skills in the bedroom.
Some men – I present Old Grey Beard as Exhibit #1 - think all women dig beards and are subconsciously drawn to their manly qualities. Certainly, some women do prefer facial hair. But study after study show they are a distinct minority. Also, it’s obvious to anyone with experience that women are much more drawn to your confidence, brain, charm, charisma and personality than to the presence or absence of facial hair. Along with those things, a cut physique, some muscle tone, decent looks, good grooming and dress are all more important than facial hair – or the lack of it - in attracting hot women. I know this to be true from personal experience.
My conclusion is that many men – not all - grow facial hair as compensation for some other trait they are lacking, be it confidence, maturity, good looks, sexual prowess, career success, etc.
If you want to grow a beard because you or your partner prefers it, go for it! Do whatever you want. But don’t blame me when you’re stroking your beard at the end of the bar at 2:00 AM.
I do believe my work here is done.
I considered starting a new thread, but I'll try to bring this one back on topic (can we please stop the arguments about which is better?). Previously, someone mentioned how a beard is less attractive to women, but actually might attract a different subset of women. I find this to be true.
I am 34 and work in Private Wealth Management for Deutsche Bank. I am not in NYC, but in a smaller market. We handle a good amount of money and I consider myself to have a very good job. We have a business casual office, meaning that I pretty much always wear slacks and a sport coat, but rarely pull out the full suit. I mention this because for all intents and purposes, I appear to be a very conservative, formal dresser. I find myself wearing "nicer" clothing most of the time I am out of the house. By nature, I would probably be more of a jeans and t-shirt guy. I have somewhat longer hair, but it is not out of control. It has been described as shaggy, but I wear it well. I run quite a bit, play piano and listen to a lot of music. I go to shows a lot and my wife in I participate in the thriving local arts scene.
I never attracted much interest from a lot of the women in this demographic. Many of them are "artsy" types, almost hipsterish. I am hesitant to call them hipsters because most are very well educated, driven, etc. I'll call them artsy and/or academic. Before I grew out my beard, they just didn't pay much attention to me. Honestly, I was probably considered the token douchebag in the room most of the time. After I grew my beard out to near homeless-looking glory, I found myself getting approached more often by these types of women. Now my wife and most of her friends absolutely hate it and tell me I look dirty and sleazy, so there's that.
If I had to sum it up nicely, i would say that most women do not like beards on men, but a select few actually prefer them. These are the women that you will have little success with as a clean shaven business man.
I grew out the beard with my entire office for cancer research, so I plan to shave this evening, but I wanted to share my experience.
Casual Friday wrote:
I grew out the beard with my entire office for cancer research, so I plan to shave this evening, but I wanted to share my experience.
Thank you so much for your helpful input. Now go shave that peach fuzz.
My initial response to the beard question was that women hate them, as my wife and female friends have universally and emphatically said. I remembered, though, that the 2 times that I have been openly propositioned by women who knew I was married were during a very short time period when I did have a beard. Conclusion: women think they hate beards, but they don't.
110% agree wrote:
Thank you so much for your helpful input. Now go shave that peach fuzz.
Hahahaha. Manly me has fully bearded face!
Reconsidering wrote:
My initial response to the beard question was that women hate them, as my wife and female friends have universally and emphatically said. I remembered, though, that the 2 times that I have been openly propositioned by women who knew I was married were during a very short time period when I did have a beard. Conclusion: women think they hate beards, but they don't.
Wow, it's almost like women are different people with different preferences.
Casual Friday wrote:
110% agree wrote:Thank you so much for your helpful input. Now go shave that peach fuzz.
Hahahaha. Manly me has fully bearded face!
Casual Friday, perhaps women in that circle approached you when you had the scraggly beard because they thought you were an artist-type.
I grew a huge beard before a 3 week vacation in Alaska. I was glad I did, because the locals seemed to assume I was also a local, which was pretty cool. Commercial fisherman would attempt to small-talk me with insider fisherman lingo. I tried to fake it like I understood, but I'm sure once I opened my mouth they realized I was a fake.
Carney watcher wrote:
I grew a huge beard before a 3 week vacation in Alaska. I was glad I did, because the locals seemed to assume I was also a local, which was pretty cool. Commercial fisherman would attempt to small-talk me with insider fisherman lingo. I tried to fake it like I understood, but I'm sure once I opened my mouth they realized I was a fake.
Why were you hanging around the docs pretending to be a fisherman? Weirdo.
codger wrote:
Casual Friday, perhaps women in that circle approached you when you had the scraggly beard because they thought you were an artist-type.
I think that is totally why they approached me. They obviously felt more comfortable around me due to the beard, as my other features had not changed. I am not claiming they propositioned me, hell, half the time my wife was with me. It was just that they seemed to be more comfortable around me. I get ignored at a lot of these things if I come from work due to my outfit, but when I added the beard things changed.
Obviously all women are different and have their personal preferences, I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise. That being said, men like women with tight bodies and perky boobs. Sure, their are outliers who like BBW and stuff, but you know the game...
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I'd say don't shave it. I got compliments on mine and now that I shaved it people are back to being rude as heck. I've noticed a huge difference positively when having a beard. I'm growing mine back ASAP.
We're getting toward the end of beard season. Anyone have any updates on their beard experiences?
That's crazy talk mate. Beard season doesn't end. I'll be rocking a fierce beard right through the summer.
Lets he homest, the number one reason to grow a beard is to attract men.
31 years old. For the past 3 years, I'll grow the beard for a few months, shave and repeat. This last time, I haven't shaved since March. Everyone keeps calling me Sir with the beard. I've gotten used to it and don't notice any difference anymore. Personal opinion with the ladies is that are less interested in you on the first impression. As the other poster said. They claim to not like it, but I'm pretty sure they actually do.
bump for Movember
3434 wrote:
bump for Movember
November isn't til Friday. A more appropriate bump would be for the Red Sox victory.
I recall this thread, but don't feel like going back and reading the whole thing. Can anyone explain how growing hair raises money? Am I supposed to donate money based on the dollars saved on shaving cream and razors i didn't use while not shaving or only shaving part of my face?