So, since the 10k was a straight final, Solinsky is exempt from being barred from other events at this meet.
So, since the 10k was a straight final, Solinsky is exempt from being barred from other events at this meet.
just found another injustice. not nearly as big, and it could just e me but today in the junior womens 100m hurdles there was an ejection. it was heat one and girl in lane 3 was ejected with a flase start (it was a very clear flase start but let me finish). now... WHILE this was going on the junior women's long jump was also going on and a the girl who was up tried to get a slow clap going. the officials paid no mind to this as they called the girls to their marks. the clappin was small at first but definitely loud enough to be distracting and it continued to grow in intensity to the point where you almost could hear the offical call the girls to their set positions.
at this point clapping was loud and officials didnt bother to reset the start, just let it keep going. while the clapping continued, you could see that some of the girls in the hurldes were getting jittery and as a result girl in lane three went out early (dont even think the starter had shot either).
what annoys me is they still charged the girl with the ejection when it was pretty clear the entire crowd was getting distracting and would probably be mistaken as a start. i think they should just waited till the clapping was over and reset the field. because they didnt bother to do that one girl now didnt even get to race cause some officials didnt bother to reset a field when it shoudlve been done.
Can someone explain why Chaplin even cares to exclude the bottom 3 guys? Did they fail to bribe someone? Behind on membership dues? I understand special treatment for stars but this doesn't make sense.
Picayune wrote:
So, since the 10k was a straight final, Solinsky is exempt from being barred from other events at this meet.
The rule reads to me that Solinsky "may be barred" from the 5K since he didn't participate in the 10K. On the other hand it sounds like the rule should have outright barred Torrence from the 1500 since he declared for both the 800 and 1500 and was a DNS in the 800 1st Round which occurred before the 1500 semis. In that case the rule states he "will be barred from further competition in that meet." Of course since it's the USATF maybe a DNS counts as "honest participation" if you run for Nike.
I have never seen USATF apply honest effort, at any level meet. I think, like the uniform rule, it's dormant.
Once again, it is not all the fault of the officials. If the girl in the hurdles was uncomfortable, she should have raised her hand and they would have stood them up. Apparently she has not been coached very well.
Vermont NH wrote:
isn't it about time for jeff johnson to dig into the scads of cash he made off nike to pay for an injunction to get these athletes into the meet? - as in actually do something for the team (ITA) that he supposedly supports?????
nah, easier to just gaze at the human scenary...
What kind of low life are you? Jeff has spent literally decades and hundreds of thousands of dollars (possibly more) supporting this sport at every level. Maybe you should get of your a$$ contribute instead of hiding behind you computer and making ignorant comments
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Abdi Abdirahman running the 10,000m yesterday.
I thought Chaplin could let in whoever he wanted in the meet assuming they have a "B" Standard but Abdi shows he can let in the meet whoever he wants.
Also it was interesting Abdi wasn't on the starting lists.
If this the rule, then is this the real rulebook:
"Athletes with "A" standards automatically compete in the meet. Then the meet directory decides whoever he or she wants in the meet to make it competitive"
A "B" standard means absolutely nothing? or am I mistaken? I guess a "B" standard factors in with minimum field sizes? I'm not sure what a "B" does for you.
You know who has the power the change this? The athletes. If the 27 athletes entered in the 800 banded together and stood up for the 3 entrants who were excluded, refusing to race unless they were entered, then we would get somewhere.
The same thing could happen to any one of them someday. Solidarity and strength in numbers.
The rules are meaningless when the meet is run by a dictator. This is a little taste of what it is like to live in China, Iran, Venezuela et al.
nomc wrote:
Can someone explain why Chaplin even cares to exclude the bottom 3 guys? Did they fail to bribe someone? Behind on membership dues? I understand special treatment for stars but this doesn't make sense.
First, he really excluded 5 guys, since four heats of eight would have meant 32 runners, just like the women's 800 field.
Second, you're right that everything has a reason. My interpretation is that it's a way of doing favors for the coaches with power in the sport, who keep him in his position. None of the people he chose to leave out were coached by the powers that be (Al Sal, Vin, etc).
By keeping folks out, Chaplin makes an easier road/less interference for the favored coaches' athletes who are in the field. And if any of those coaches did have athletes who were on the edge, they know he would expand the field for them. So why shouldn't tney keep him his position, rather than put in someone who will just apply the rules in a straightforward, sensible way?
"This rule shall not apply toevents in which only a final is held"
Rules wrote:
Picayune wrote:So, since the 10k was a straight final, Solinsky is exempt from being barred from other events at this meet.
The rule reads to me that Solinsky "may be barred" from the 5K since he didn't participate in the 10K. On the other hand it sounds like the rule should have outright barred Torrence from the 1500 since he declared for both the 800 and 1500 and was a DNS in the 800 1st Round which occurred before the 1500 semis. In that case the rule states he "will be barred from further competition in that meet." Of course since it's the USATF maybe a DNS counts as "honest participation" if you run for Nike.
look behind the curtain wrote:
By keeping folks out, Chaplin makes an easier road/less interference for the favored coaches' athletes who are in the field. And if any of those coaches did have athletes who were on the edge, they know he would expand the field for them. So why shouldn't tney keep him his position, rather than put in someone who will just apply the rules in a straightforward, sensible way?
This makes the most sense of anything written thus far on this thread. A compelling, rational explanation for all that we've seen.
Sigh, I would have liked to have believed better about folks. But we've seen countless politicians go corrupt when power (and the urge to keep same) came their way, why shouldn't it happen here as well?
Ethics matter, folks. Accountability matters.
Mark Misch wrote:
set a single qualifying standard (no "A" and "B" stuff that leaves the athletes in "purgatory" wondering what's going on) and whoever hits the mark is in.
Yeah, USATF jerks the B standard runners around by not communicating effectively on whether they are in or not.
Solution - run the A standard so they have to let you in.
If you meet the B standard, you should be going to the meet anyways to see/experience the championship. And if they let you compete, great! If not, get back to training so you can make the A standard for next year.
Lapped Up wrote:
I think the women's race demonstrated why 28 runners is too many. Shalane spent much the closing laps running in lane 3.
I think the problem is 28 slow runners
test case scenario wrote:
You know who has the power the change this? The athletes. If the 27 athletes entered in the 800 banded together and stood up for the 3 entrants who were excluded, refusing to race unless they were entered, then we would get somewhere.
The same thing could happen to any one of them someday. Solidarity and strength in numbers.
This is not a hallmark movie.
This statement shows me you are not anything but an enthusiast.
Anyone competing at this competition should be focused on eating, sleeping and racing.
I want to see John Chaplin get his ass kicked, preferably by a tranny wearing a pink shirt and a popped collar. F*** I hate this sport's bureaucracy.
You want the truth? YOU PUNKS CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Girls, we live in a NIKE world that has preferred athletes, and those preferred athletes have to come from pre-existing programs led by men with access. Who's gonna do it? You? Or you? I have a greater responsibility than you punks could possibly fathom. You weep for a shitty B heat guy or a long hair like Shannon Butler, and you curse my name. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That my omission of certain B-level athletes from the USATF meet, while tragic, probably saved track and field in America. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves track & field in the United States of America.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at track meets, you want me in power on that USATF board of directors, you need me on that USATF board of directors. We use words like access, offers, qualifying standards. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent training for something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to some message board hacks who rise and sleep under the blanket of the stellar national track meet competitions that I lord over, and then question the manner in which I lord over them. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pay your USATF dues, pick up your tickets, go to the ice cream social and kiss my ass.
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. This is my world and you are just a squirrel trying to get a nut. Suck it, skinny runner bitches.
webbwhacker wrote:
This is not a hallmark movie.
This statement shows me you are not anything but an enthusiast.
Anyone competing at this competition should be focused on eating, sleeping and racing.
WTF else would I be? I'm not competing in Eugene, so yes, all I am is an enthusiast. I have my own running career but it is not going to set the world on fire any time soon.
I'm an enthusiast and a USATF member and I think it's a shame what has happened and I think the athletes are the few people who have the power to change this.
test case scenario wrote:
You know who has the power the change this? The athletes. If the 27 athletes entered in the 800 banded together and stood up for the 3 entrants who were excluded, refusing to race unless they were entered, then we would get somewhere.
The same thing could happen to any one of them someday. Solidarity and strength in numbers.
LOL. Don't hold your breath. The coaches of the initial 27 athletes would be the first to protest of one of the extra 3 kept their man out of the semis. And rightfully so.