Kenyan Trials

Transmara wrote:

The people who work with are those who could succeed anyway. Now you are bragging about it. Bragging about we did that and we did this is unkenyan and we do not like it. Kenyans and the whole world know why Kenyans are good in running. It is the sheer dedication, determination, sacrifice, talent, commitment and perseverance of the Kenyan runner.

The whole point is that a kenyan is never going to beat haile's marathon time without systematic scientific training, and you're crazy if you think otherwise. Yeh, Kenya will get some real fast times due to talent and hard work, but without a longterm plan administered by a good coach you're not going to have progressions and long careers.

To quote an earlier renato post:

Personally, the performance of a my athlete that gave me more satisfacion was a 2:18:23 in a marathon (Venice, '95) of a Swiss guy (was at that time the physiotherapist of Italian Team, working with us in Tirrenia, our national center), without any kind of talent (4:20 in 1500m, no elasticity, very bad running style),

Renato's not bragging, he's sharing stuff that nobody else would

Renato, very interesting response regarding the changing of training over time for the distance events.

I started another thread, presume you didn't see it, would you be able to comment on the modern preparation of half marathon traning?

Particularly long fast runs, mileage and speed you reccommend for 20-40min fast runs that the kenyans do as natural training.

Thanks

I agree with you 100%, this white boy is a average coach.

He is always quick to credit other coaches, so you are off base![/quote]

YES but, white coaches only!! The European runners, will not hire his sorry ass.

Transmara wrote:

Can you mention one really bad thing that the KAAA has done?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Transmara wrote:

We are proud of our Kenyan coaches. They are the reason why we are where we are. Coaches that mold and help develop talent are primary school coaches, high school coaches and personal coaches that help nurture talent when no else cares. KAAA has done what it needed to do to build athletics in kenya to the level that meets and exceeds international standards. Kenyans are proud of that. A lot of Kenyan runners need guidance, they have the ability to train and achieve without the presence of a coach. The reason why people join training camps is because it is easier to get races and a sponsor otherwise a lot of Kenyans will do find training on their own

Think you for telling us white boys what's up. If he was good, he would be coaching white runners in the usa.

Systematic scientific training, is the white man way. It is the reason, why white boys are running 16:30 - 5ks. Train hard and race easy is why blacks runners are running 13:05 - 5ks.

A "Real" Coach wrote:

Why because I haven't impressed you with my Kenyon runners?

You don't have the knowledge to tell who can coach. It takes a little education.

Runnercoach123 wrote:

Translate has got it right. Coaches like Canova can see opportunity and take it. No one believes this crap that he's trying to give back to the Kenyons by spending his owne money.

He is an opportunist. What is sad is how some of you LetsRun crowd gravel for information from him -believing he is the reason Kenyons run fast. Wake up.

Runnercoach123: Please stop using the word "coach" in your name-- you're an embarrassmant to our community.

Transmara, I find your comments about coach Renato rather harsh, unkind and unrealistic. I am a Kenyan and I know much about the athletics industry and I wish to give you an example in the telecommunication industry in Kenya.

Before 1999 there exist a state owned telecommunication company which was under performing. One man called MJ came to Kenya and transformed a small unit in the same state corporation with less than 20,000 customers to a leading and most profitable company in East and Central Africa and Transmara you are a witness to this.

I liken MJ to Renato where by he came to Kenya and saw so much opportunity/talent which existed and had not been tapped and he decided to work on that and at the of it are the results we are seeing today. The question to Transmara and others who think like him, is do we as Kenyans appreciate and recognize what this two individuals have done to this country and the youth or do we castigate, demoralize and call them all sorts of names?

For people like Transmara the question I ask you is what have you done or are you doing to the past and current athletes before Renato came and now.

For Renato I urge to continue assisting this young and untapped talent and never loose sight on your goal.

Ass kwhitea wrote:

well. wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

GO JOG, YOU kkk ASS/WHITE!

Bad things:

They are corrupted.

They want to take credit for the Kenyan´s achievments.

They hire prostitutes when they are outside Kenya.

Transmara

In your opinion the Italian Renato might not coach Kenyans in Kenya, but then why in the meantime Kenyans can compete in Italy or every other country and get money on that competitions?

People with your kind of close mind, that thinks no one shall work in another country than his own, and thinks that Renato shalln´t coach with other runners out of Italians, you deserve the rule an eye for an eye, teth for teth.

People with your kind of close mind, I will boycott and willn’t accept every Kenyan runner to compete out of Kenya, in meetings, commercial road runs, commercial marathons whatever, except in the continental games and Olympics. I willn’t allowed that Kenyan runners will make money and I willn’t allowed to be paid in every country out of Kenya to run and compete.

You Kenyans will run one Kenyan against each other, one Kenya school against each other, you will see how quickly the Kenyan international level of success will soon decline.

Renato Canova wrote:

Athletes are athletes (and not coaches, as many athletes pretend to be when their career is going to the end)

Hmm. Now who on Letsrun could that potentially refer to?

Transmara wrote:

Cross Country is about team work and team work means you stay and train with the team, I applaud KAAA for not baby sitting one individual. Mutai can quit the team if he wants to, plenty of people to take his sport

Are you serious? The ridiculous AK pre-championships camps routinely ruin the programs of runners who are doing perfectly well on their own or with their own coaches. There are many, many examples of this, and if you are really Kenyan you know this very well, so don't pretend otherwise.

Not allowing runners to get race-sharp on the circuit, keeping 800/1500 runners doing 1k repeats all summer before OG and WC? If I didn't know better I'd say it's like AK wants to PREVENT success. But I do know better. I know that the coaching staff are just ignorant.

The funny thing is that when some athlete manages to perform against all that AK has stacked against him/her, AK is of course right there to take credit.

Kick Mutai off? Yet another case of AK shooting itself in the face. Let's think back to the 2004 games: Wainana 6th. Tergat 10th. 3rd runner DNS. Alternate DNS. BRILLIANT MANAGEMENT! (Remember, you had the TOP FIVE ranked marathoners in the world that year: Limo, Ruto, Cheboror, Korir, Riri. 6th and 10th was a disgrace!)

I hope that you are from AK, just so that I can finally tell someone from that joke of an organization that the world is watching your gong show.

As kenyan athlete myself we relaize importance of representing our country in style. It is for this reason I try to be ballin wherever and whenever possible

Renato, can you share you're insight into the Ethiopian training system and how it compares to that of Kenya, western countries, and you're own?

Wow wow wow, I am not against the guy coaching in Kenya, I would love him to continue coaching. We have people like late Paul Kipkoech who worked hard on building running in Kenya and you did not hear him bragging. I think he has done a wonderful job. The problems arises when he acts like he is a conerstone of Kenyan running. The thing that I did not like is telling us that he build Iten from nothing, that before him there were no training camps in Kenya, that Kenyans were ignorant of athletics, He is basically saying that everything he does is good anything else is bad. We welcome people to coach in Kenya, we appreciate that but you do not need to brag about it to the whole world. Everybody wants to know the secret of Kenyas success, we all know there are a lot of variables, the is no a magic bullet. If I come online and talk about scientific training and training programs that do magic etc people are going to believe that. If you are going to posts you need to know there people who lived this life day in and day out.

How many fast white runners do you coach taco? Taco you sound like all the other kkk/runners on here. You can't coach yourself but always talking shit. Go f*** yourself three time in the ass.

come on guys, youre probably making renato never want to come back here again...hes doing us a favor, giving us insight to what some of the best runners in the world do. i dont get why retards like half of you come on here and make irrelevant comments to offend some one that is doing us a favor and sharing knowledge...its obvious hes one of the best coaches in the world..you cant argue with results

Ummm, correct me if I'm wrong but the Kenyan camps havent helped any runner after the Kenyan trials do better at Worlds. So why would Mutai WANT to go to a camp like that?