NYC. The worst of all possible worlds. Its full of arrogant, obnoxious, immoral thieves. I "lived" there for 22 years until I could finally get out.
NYC. The worst of all possible worlds. Its full of arrogant, obnoxious, immoral thieves. I "lived" there for 22 years until I could finally get out.
red hot wrote:
I've also lived all over the country & prefer the midwest. You used the word ewww with triple w's so I can only assume you are a lady. I actually prefer people to look down on the midwest. It decreases the risk of empty coasties flocking here & trust me they are. Chicago, Milwaukee, & Minneapolis are hidden gems, but lets try to keep this hush hush.
Clever, I see what you did there. Chicago is a fun city, but only when it is warm enough to breathe which is 6 months out of the year. Coldest run I ever went on was south of the city where the thermometer said 7 and with the 35+ mph winds factored in, -17. Ran for over an hour and didn't see a single living creature outside for the entire run. Closest I've ever come to saying "f-it" and going back inside. Been to Milwaukee and it didn't inspire. Never been to Minneapolis but I can only imagine. If you like cold, barren, windy, and flat well better you than me. Hope you enjoy it! Personally I'll take warmth or baring that some gorgeous scenery to lessen the pain of not feeling fingers (basically anywhere else outside the midwest). Coasties may head to Chicago for the job opportunitues but nobody willingy relocates to Milwaukee from say Charleston or San Deigo willingly.
It's all in how you dress. Warm mittens will always keep your hands warm.
I enjoy not seeing other creatures out during the run. Solitude.
Running in San Diego & seeing loads of people would depress me.
I would never consider the following:
1. Deeply red states
2. States with low taxes (I want good roads, schools, libraries, not a sense of "if someone else wins, I lose")
3. States with very high taxes (unless they are justified*)
4. Any places that go significantly over 80 degrees in the summer and/or don't have much snow in the winter
* See the difference between RI and MA. Both have high taxes, but RI is a hellhole, while MA was rated 5th best state for business and has below average unemployment.
That pretty much leaves:
Most of New England
Coastal Northwest
maybe Minnesota, but it's boring there
Virtually nothing will convince me to move to a red state. Not for purely political reasons: I want to be able to relate to my neighbors.
northerner wrote:
I would never consider the following:
1. Deeply red states
2. States with low taxes (I want good roads, schools, libraries, not a sense of "if someone else wins, I lose")
3. States with very high taxes (unless they are justified*)
4. Any places that go significantly over 80 degrees in the summer and/or don't have much snow in the winter
* See the difference between RI and MA. Both have high taxes, but RI is a hellhole, while MA was rated 5th best state for business and has below average unemployment.
That pretty much leaves:
Most of New England
Coastal Northwest
maybe Minnesota, but it's boring there
Virtually nothing will convince me to move to a red state. Not for purely political reasons: I want to be able to relate to my neighbors.
You have some problems there...you can have good roads and schools etc, with low taxes...Montana for example, has roads voted by national truck drivers as the best in the country. And as for schools, Montana ranks 7th in the nation in Education Output (based on NAEP and ACT test scores), they also rank 7th in Education Output (bang for your buck as you will, i.e. amount spent per student compared to student output above the national average). In what most people think is odd, there has been shown ZERO correlation between the amount of money spent on education and the academic achievement of students. In fact in some areas it was shown to have a slightly negative effect.
The only reason I wont live in Montana is I cant stand the winters there. Especially with Raynauds.
I live in one of the higher taxed states on the other hand, and we have atrocious roads in all of our main cities, and schools scoring lower than Montana as well. BUT we spend much more on our school children than montana, and we have a huge state insurance program for low income citizens, etc... So basically I am saying its HOW you spend your tax income that affects those things, not how much income you bring in.
How does this thread get so many replies? I've lived from sea to shining sea and the midwest too, and there's not anyplace that I didn't enjoy. I'd shy away from LA right now due to the gov't situation, but obviously LA is still great.
But one place I haven't seen mentioned is Gary, Indiana. As a kid I remember driving thru there and you literally had to hold your nose. I don't think that's any longer the case, but with the collapse of the steel industry it is kind of a mini Detroit. Haven't been back there for many years though, so who knows, maybe it's a jewel now.
Springfield, MA.
It's pretty much the unwiped asshole of america.
Couldn't agree more.
That's why these days they call it Tax Island and not "Tax"achusetts.
Anthony Crudale
I like some of the Midwest cities mentioned here, especially Chicago, but the idea that Milwaukee is a "hidden gem" is a distortion of the truth. The place bored me so much I nearly wept.
I don't think anyone who didn't have to would want to live in Waterbury, Connecticut.
There are some poor remote and rural and yeah, inbred areas of Kentucky and West Virginia that are places to avoid.
no they are not - have you seen the latest census?the midwest is a wasteland - i know, i grew up there; geography that pales in comparison to places in the west (california, parts of colorado, oregon, washington), generally less educated people, strip malls galore, humidity in the summer, cold in the winterthere is a reason the cost of living is so low - no one wants to live therepeople need to feel good about where they live, especially those who never left - so they will swear it is great; but if you actually go elsewhere and experience things like nice weather, mountains, oceans and restaurants that aren't applebees you see what the world has to offer and you realize what a dump the middle of the country is
red hot wrote:
It decreases the risk of empty coasties flocking here & trust me they are. Chicago, Milwaukee, & Minneapolis are hidden gems, but lets try to keep this hush hush.
truth911 wrote:
if you actually go elsewhere and experience things like nice weather, mountains, oceans and restaurants that aren't applebees you see what the world has to offer and you realize what a dump the middle of the country is
red hot wrote:It decreases the risk of empty coasties flocking here & trust me they are. Chicago, Milwaukee, & Minneapolis are hidden gems, but lets try to keep this hush hush.
I already stated I've lived all over the country & have traveled much more beyond that. I've lived in six different states. Two of which included two different cities in New Mexico & Washington. I prefer the midwest. It's nice to go fishing or camping in the deep woods & not have to face traffic jams for miles on the way back home Sunday afternoon.
sureeven the woods are crappy (have you been in a redwood forecast, or woods in oregon, or british columbia)... and if you think you have to be in a traffic jam to go fishing or camping in other parts of the world you are sorely mistaken
red hot wrote:
It's nice to go fishing or camping in the deep woods & not have to face traffic jams for miles on the way back home Sunday afternoon.
Chicago. Can't even stand driving through that place.
truth911 wrote:
(have you been in a redwood forecast, or woods in oregon, or british columbia)
yes to all the above.
Stayed in Arcata & drove up to the national park. Upper 50s in Jan 2009 & sunny. Nice.
Stayed in Bingen & drove across the border to do some hiking around Mt Hood. Colombia River Gorge is one of the best areas.
BC - only got to the urban park Stanley Park.
States: Alaska, Maine, New Hamphire, Vermont, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, Arkansas, West Virginia, South Carolina,
Cities: Memphis, Detroit, Jacksonville, Cleveland, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Flint, El Paso, E. St. Louis
flyover america wrote:
nowhere west of the mississippi or east of the rockies. The only exceptions being texas and chicago. Also definitely not pittsburgh
Chicago isn't in the area you described.
WV I HATE YOU wrote:
West Virginia is the WORST, I repeat THE WORST, state ever! That is the one place I would refuse to live in that I have some knowledge about
West Virginia has some amazing outdoor recreation opportunities. I don't think I'd want to live there long term but I could be quite happy living there for 2-3 years and exploring all that the state has to offer for hiking, white water rafting, BASE jumping, climbing, skiing, etc.
That doesn't mean your opinion is wrong, it is just different than mine.
any of the Red areas in the Obama/McCain election and Colorado Springs because it's El Paso County which went McCainPalin
WV also has some of the friendliest and nicest people around, all Deliverance jokes aside. Most would give you anything they owned. It might not be much, but they would share. As you said, they have excellent outdoor opportunities. Poverty is the state of WV's burden which affects education, opportunity,..........
Buttsniffer wrote:
After learning to hate screwed up Catholic school girls from Tulsa, I think reversing the name reveals a lot about the area.
Your quote about reversing the name is funny because I learned to screw the hateful Catholic girls from Tulsa.