you think Jesse Owens affected by sunny day? Pie Traynor? What an idiotic statement. Nadal affected by too much sunshine? Wow Malmo - you outdid yourself
you think Jesse Owens affected by sunny day? Pie Traynor? What an idiotic statement. Nadal affected by too much sunshine? Wow Malmo - you outdid yourself
Pippi Pippilongstocking wrote:
you think Jesse Owens affected by sunny day? Pie Traynor? What an idiotic statement. Nadal affected by too much sunshine? Wow Malmo - you outdid yourself
No. He ran sprints. A hot sunny day would be great. Add high humidity to a hot day and it would even be better.
Are you a newbie or are you that ignorant about our sport that you cannot understand the difference?
Pippi Pippilongstocking wrote:
you think Jesse Owens affected by sunny day? Pie Traynor? What an idiotic statement. Nadal affected by too much sunshine? Wow Malmo - you outdid yourself
YOU JUST PWN3ED YOURSELF AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. HA HA HA
In threads like these I can just feel the rising irritation in malmo's posts. One of these days he's just going to be sick of our letsrun.com BS and he's going to leave.
And it's going to be a sad day, because in case you guys hadn't noticed we don't have many elite athletes or coaches who (openly) post here.
Oh well, such is the internet I guess. Opinions are like assholes...
malmo wrote:
NJ Possible wrote:Please drop the phrase "on American soil." It sounds reaching.
It's not "reaching". Out of all of the 5000m races that have ever been contested in the USA, outside of a mercenary citizen, Solinsky's 13:08 is the fastest.
The fastest 5000 on home turf would be significant in any country.
i'm having a little trouble, in general, with you calling lagat an mercenary. but what makes it worse is to call him a merc, and then immediately praise sol for his fastest 5k on american soil. he never led the race, never helped with or pushed the pace, and finished behind 6 dudes from other countries who were paid to be there. money played an important role in this new american-soil-by-an-american-born-in-america record. the 13:08 was great, but this murkin' dirt record is a footnote.
big fan wrote:
In threads like these I can just feel the rising irritation in malmo's posts. One of these days he's just going to be sick of our letsrun.com BS and he's going to leave.
If you can feel rising irritation please explain why I can't?
This cowardly crap was stale years ago and it will be stale years into the future. These threads get "keyed" over and over again by a small minority of whiny punks, which ruins it for the rest of us. Until wejo requires registration the punk demographic will have a place.
rixctf wrote:
i'm having a little trouble, in general, with you calling lagat an mercenary. but what makes it worse is to call him a merc, and then immediately praise sol for his fastest 5k on american soil. he never led the race, never helped with or pushed the pace, and finished behind 6 dudes from other countries who were paid to be there. money played an important role in this new american-soil-by-an-american-born-in-america record. the 13:08 was great, but this murkin' dirt record is a footnote.
If Lagat, his agents, and his sponsors didn't conspire to hide his citizenship in 2004 I wouldn't consider him a mercenary. Lomong isn't a mercenary, neither will Boaz Cheboiywo when he gets his citizenship (hopefully soon).
Sorry that you cannot see the brilliance in Solinsky's last race. That's your loss not mine.
malmo wrote:
If Lagat, his agents, and his sponsors didn't conspire to hide his citizenship in 2004 I wouldn't consider him a mercenary. Lomong isn't a mercenary, neither will Boaz Cheboiywo when he gets his citizenship (hopefully soon).
Sorry that you cannot see the brilliance in Solinsky's last race. That's your loss not mine.
okay, fine on the first point, not really what matters in my post, but fine, you've explained yourself.
but the second point... the time is brilliant. the placement in that field of competitors is brilliant. the string of races is brilliant. but the geographic location is not brilliant. he had 8 pacers in a world-class race, and a gold medal wasn't on the line. if you can show me 5 5k's in the last 10 years, on american soil, with similar conditions, then i'll consider the geographic location of the race notable. i'd have to see that a 5k like this happens every year on american soil, and then i'll agree that this american soil record adds to the brilliance of the race.
malmo wrote:
some stats wrote:The area records are cool little statistical sidenotes and well that's pretty much it. So important for curiosity's sake but that's it. But since area records don't come up on athlete contracts or in prize money or in end of year rankings by either the IAAF or TFN or letsrun, it is NOT important. I think Malmo put it up there since he needed a cool little stat near the 13:08. He won't be able to give a reason why it's important I am afraid.
Geez, I put it there because it was the last race he ran, and contrary to the conventional idiocy of the day, it was a great run, about exactly what any rational handicapper would have put him.
The notion that Solinsky could go anywhere near his recent PR on a sunny day at 2pm was ridiculous from the beginning. Did you see his face after the race? Sunburned. Did anyone else have a sunburn? No. A big white guy running a 5k in the Sun is going to feel it much more than the tiny little waifs he was racing.
Had the race been at 8-9 pm Solinsky would have been in it with a lap to go. Would he have won the race? Most likely not, but top four and sub 13:00 would have been there for the taking.
Finally, for your edification, Area Records and All-Comers Records are not the same thing. Area Records are the IAAF designation for "Continental Records"
I'm so sorry that you cannot fathom the importance of an US All-Comers record (or #2 US all-comer), nor the significance of Solinsky's run, regardless of expectations. That's your loss, not mine.
Malmo, you have YET to give a reason why the #2 american/soil record is important? It's been two days and you still can't come up with a reason. It's a footnote, stuffing puffing things up.
And the sun was not a problem. Solinsky said the wind was a bit of an issue, other runners in races at the end of the day kept saying the wind. It's time to give the "sun" line of reasoning up.
And EVEN if the sun were magically a problem, who cares? Are we going to do sun/heat conversions every time he steps on the line? Stop coddling with your pseudo statistics. You are embarrassing the athletes.
malmo wrote:
No. He ran sprints. A hot sunny day would be great. Add high humidity to a hot day and it would even be better.
Are you a newbie or are you that ignorant about our sport that you cannot understand the difference?
Heat and humidity help sprint times. Sunshine does not. Sprinters don't operate by photosynthesis. Just helping out an obvious ignorant newbie to the sport.
some stats wrote:
And the sun was not a problem. Solinsky said the wind was a bit of an issue, other runners in races at the end of the day kept saying the wind. It's time to give the "sun" line of reasoning up.
And EVEN if the sun were magically a problem, who cares? Are we going to do sun/heat conversions every time he steps on the line? Stop coddling with your pseudo statistics. You are embarrassing the athletes.
Did you see his face? He was sunburned, it was warm out there, there was a bright Sun beating down.
Who said anything about conversions? Solinky's 13:08 is the 2nd fastest on home turf by an American. Why on Earth does that bother you so much?
some stats wrote:
Heat and humidity help sprint times. Sunshine does not. Sprinters don't operate by photosynthesis. Just helping out an obvious ignorant newbie to the sport.
Cloudy, 70 degrees and humid.
Sunny, 70 degrees and humid.
Which conditions are better for sprinting? I'll even give you two guesses.
'Did you see his face? He was sunburned, it was warm out there, there was a bright Sun beating down'
Ah..that's why he was outside 13 minutes - decided he needed a bit more work on the tan!
malmo, maybe this wasn't the best three race series put together by an American distance runner, but it was a very good one, and you succeeded in changing the conversation, as stulifying as most of this thread is, from what a crappy race to, 'is solinsky's series among the best ever?' And that is an accomplishment, changing the valence from negative to positive. we should be impressed. Now, as for the sports analogies that trialswatcher/king is throwing out, you should see that Manning doesn't throw for 400 yards every game. Some games he throws for 230 yards, 1 int and 1 td. And yes, in the snow, he may fumble the ball. Against a tough NE defense, he may get intercepted a few times. But he has the 400y games. He has the overall great rating. He has a lot of wins. Solinsky is now an American record holder and among the best ever Americans at 5k (3rd). He's knocking on the door. And finally, as only one person mentioned, he thought that he had a bad day, with heavy legs, and he's had a big block of training in advance of this: roughly 101, 120, 121, 80 since Oslo. So, it seems to me that when he gets in some altitude and some sharpening and some rest in August, we'll see something very impressive from him. Maybe an AR at 3k and 5k. But he'll have Lagat and Teg to beat and maybe even Ritz as well.
Neither. The heat and humidity are the same, and amount of sunshine doesn't matter. Seriously, why would it?
If sunshine helps, why not just say WHY in a clear way direct way? And list your supporting evidence, because just because YOU and armchair science think it doesn't make it true. But please, I'd be happy to accept I am wrong if you can prove it and not just make stuff up out of thin air for the rest of us to swallow.
malmo wrote:
Did you see his face? He was sunburned, it was warm out there, there was a bright Sun beating down.
Who said anything about conversions? Solinky's 13:08 is the 2nd fastest on home turf by an American. Why on Earth does that bother you so much?
Did you see his interview??? That means way more than what you think you saw. Sorry I put words from the horse's month over well you watching tv any day.
It doesn't bother me that he ran the second fastest 5000 by an American on American soil, it bothers me that you keep pushing as an *important* stat (you use these words yourself). Yet here we are, AGAIN, and you still can't say why it is meaningless, where in the real world it's a footnote. There is a difference between Malmo-world and the real-world after all. But please, I'd be happy to hear why you think it is important or significant or worthy of being looked at with his AR and #2 alltime performances. To me it's apples and very small apples seeds.
On 2 days one 70 cloudy and one 70 sunny the sunny day will be hotter if you are in the sun (as you would be on a track) because they measure the temp in the shade
What temp was it anyway?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
On 2 days one 70 cloudy and one 70 sunny the sunny day will be hotter if you are in the sun (as you would be on a track) because they measure the temp in the shade
What temp was it anyway?
I posted a link to the nearest weather station to the track when the race was being run.
14:02 77.5 °F 47.3 °F WNW 6.0mph-9.0mph 34%
14:07 77.9 °F 48.4 °F NW 9.0mph 9.0mph 35%
14:12 77.5 °F 47.3 °F WNW 8.0mph 9.0mph 34%
some stats wrote:
Neither. The heat and humidity are the same, and amount of sunshine doesn't matter. Seriously, why would it?
If sunshine helps, why not just say WHY in a clear way direct way? And list your supporting evidence, because just because YOU and armchair science think it doesn't make it true. But please, I'd be happy to accept I am wrong if you can prove it and not just make stuff up out of thin air for the rest of us to swallow.
This isn't "armchair science" this is 7th grade science. the fact that you aren't even understanding this explains a lot.
malmo wrote:
Cloudy, 70 degrees and humid.
Sunny, 70 degrees and humid.
Which conditions are better for sprinting? I'll even give you two guesses.
What I can't get past is that if this last race were in Europe and he ran the same results (7th place, 10 seconds behind the winner, 12 seconds slower than his recent PR, 14 s slower than the AR, 17 s slower the world leader, 31 s slower than the WR) then this wouldn't be claimed as a great performance.
But it becomes great because of the location?
Look, 13:08 is a great run. Better than he ever ran before this year.
But if finishing 7th place, 10 seconds behind the winner is the catalyst to celebrating one of the greatest strings of distance races in American history then it looks like we are falling even further behind in the distance world.
Fact is the Americans are gaining ground and his first two races are evidence to that along with the Ritz and Teg accomplishments.
And Lagat's medals, the ones he won for Kenya as well as the US, were produced by training in the US in the American system.
I don't want to be negative here. I just think we are ready to celebrate something better than 7th place in a Grand Prix meet.
Like when I look at the world list for 10,000m I still see Chris Solinsky sitting on top of the world.
Or take away Kenya and Ethiopia and Lagat and Solinsky have the top tow times in the world at 5,000 and Manzano has the fastest 1500 in the world.