I've realized that I'm never going to get married

I have never met or heard of any atheist who says the possibility of a god is 0%. I'm not denying they exist, just that they are very rare, much moreso than theists who are certain there is a god. I get what you're saying though. I get a little annoyed when these discussions turn into questions like "how do you know you're real?" or in this case "prove 2+2=4" because I find it to be a waste of time. It's like having a discussion about whether or not the sky is really blue or the earth is really spherical.

Doug Heffernan wrote:

At least you're 22 and have an excuse for the above. But just to let you know ... reason, logic, and religion are not mutually exclusive. In fact there is a lot of the natural world that reasonably suggests a Creator with certain traits. Maybe you should expand your reading list.

That's your opinion. Most scientists and intellectuals would disagree. Just for a laugh, could you give some examples of the many things in the natural world that reasonably suggest a creator with certain traits and what those certain traits are?

if i club you in the head 2 times, and then do it again, another two times, did i club you 4 times or 5? is their any circularity to this mathematical axiom? the lumps on your head will suggest something concrete, no?now, if i tell you there is one god named ganesh, and he is an elephant, another named 'the lord' (jeesh, talk about feudal), and another that is an orisha, is there anyway you can show me with the same logic of the head pounding that you have one or many gods?

themanontherun wrote:

Religion is logical if you operate under certain premises. 2+2=4, this is obvious to you because it's been drilled into you since you were young. Why is 2+2 equal to 4? It's one of those things where the answer seems simple, but it actually circular. I would never compare religion to numbers, I'm just saying that when you accept certain circular arguments as givens, there becomes nothing illogical about religion. I think gnosticism in general, be it theist or atheist is just plain silly.

1) if you don't drink you are either crazy or an alcoholic, one drink will do absolutely nothing grow up and sip the goose

2) I am glad you don't want children because you have some very flawed traits I want out of the gene pool

3) If you don't believe in God, don't be a bitch about things if you know nothing will happened to you in another life. Lie incessantly, get a wive in each surrounding state.

4)I don't even think a woman will know what this one means... your fine grow up, plus liberal chicks are fine with anything, and will let you put it in them anywhere, bottom line

Steven R wrote:

- I do not drink alcohol - Ew!

- I do not want children - Nooo!

- I'm an atheist - Doesn't matter

- I'm a libertarian - Ahah!

"I avoid talking about politics (and religion) at all costs, but as a relationship progresses, these subjects come up."

LOL. yeah, we believe you.

love this post! Very well said.

sorry, the post:

bootsie RE: I've realized that I'm never going to get married 7/27/2009 7:36AM - in reply to meter man Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

i tried marriage in my 20's. didn't take. i wouldn't do it again. you and i share some similar beliefs (i don't want kids, and i'm an athiest). that said, i most certainly DO like to party, and i'm about as left-wing politically as you can get without being deported. my solution? i pretty much only date girls in their early-mid 20's (i'm 38). at that stage of the game, they are into partying, not being too serious, wayyy too young to feel their biological clocks ticking, and they are of the generation that is too sophisticated to fall for the whole religion trip. plus, they are generally more politically left than women my age. since i'm a runner, i'm in better shape than most dudes their age, and i'm over the whole 20's angst thing, so they get a somewhat emotionally stable (and financially stable) dude. i realize that this lifestyle isn't for everyone, but you might consider it, if you get older and realize that your priorities are still the same. pity about the drinking thing though.... that WILL limit your opportunities somewhat. just being honest.

What is with everyone not understanding "libertarianism"? There are several definitions of the word with some being completely compatible with "socialism" (which also has diverse definitions). As someone already pointed out, there exist libertarian socialists (a term with which I greatly identify). So, while the chick was confused about libertarianism and socialism as they are understood in the USA, she is not incorrect to say that there exists libertarian socialism.

The problem is that "American" libertarianism is distinct and implicates a free market ideology/economic system. That is likely the place where the OP gets in trouble. He likely sees eye to eye with atheists regarding social issues, but then has problems when it comes to economic systems. I guess I would like the OP to outline what it is about his "libertarian" views that upsets so many of his atheist/liberal friends.

I really do not think that the OP should have that much trouble finding someone however, and am truly mystified about it all. It seems to me that the only hangup involves different views on economic systems, but atheists tend to be some of the most accepting people so it just doesn't add up in my mind. Undoubtedly, the pool of atheists that don't want children is fairly low, but is certainly not THAT low, especially in a large metropolis like DC.

It's amazing to read all of these posts that put libertarianism, a philosophy that is all about personal responsibility and freedom, in a negative light. Are some of you THAT irresponsible, or are you just still in high school or college and mommy and daddy are still paying the bills?

Steven R wrote:

Where in MD did you live?

I lived in Gaithersburg and took the Shady Grove Red Line to Pennsylvania Ave. every day for work for almost 3 years. Was a fun experience working in that city. I won't do it again though. I prefer smaller cities.

Flagpole wrote:

Steven R wrote:

Where in MD did you live?

I lived in Gaithersburg and took the Shady Grove Red Line to Pennsylvania Ave. every day for work for almost 3 years. Was a fun experience working in that city. I won't do it again though. I prefer smaller cities.

By the way Steven R, you really should go the internet dating route...get all your concerns out there right from the get go. If you're not hideous, you'll get some dates. Millions of people sign up for those things, and your qualities aren't THAT far out there at all. In life you either keep trying or you just give up. What's the harm in continuing to try?

Well, are you measuring a swing of the club by a certain constant level of force applied to my head? Are you swinging with that constant force each time? If not, then how are you defining club swings that don't meet your criteria for the constant? Is there a range of forces that meet the definition of club swing? Oh, it's an arbitrary set? Gee, it seems you're not really sure if you hit me 4 time, or some number of times that cannot be quantified without using arbitrary, debatable constraints. Are you getting me here?

I define God as 'that which nothing greater can be described.' For some people, Ganesh is the greatest power that can be described. For others, the Lord is the greatest power that can be described. For still others, Orisha is the greatest power which can be described. Each of these meets the criteria of Godhood, which is as insubstantial and arbitrary as your club swinging parameters.

Your tone has become progressively pickier throughout the thread. At first, you sounded like you'd be accepting of different beliefs as long as the girlfriend was ok with it. But later, you sound like you need all four aspects to line up and that you not only don't drink, but you hate bars. Yeah, good luck with that.

yetanotherchick wrote:

Your tone has become progressively pickier throughout the thread. At first, you sounded like you'd be accepting of different beliefs as long as the girlfriend was ok with it. But later, you sound like you need all four aspects to line up and that you not only don't drink, but you hate bars. Yeah, good luck with that.

At no point did I say I would not be accepting of any differences, nor did I write that I needed all four to "line up." Saying that I didn't want to go to bars doesn't mean I care if a woman goes, just as long as she accepts that I don't want to. It'd be just like running....I wouldn't care if she wasn't a runner, and I sure wouldn't care if she didn't want to come along on a ten-mile run.

If she couldn't accept that I didn't want to do something, then no hard feelings, but time to move on.

Steven R wrote:

- I do not drink alcohol

- I do not want children

- I'm an atheist

- I'm a libertarian

I'm just like you except instead of a libertarian I'm a librarian -- women HATE male librarians. I'll never get married.

marriage is overrated, especially with wanting to get married just to be married. That's a way to misery.

You can surely find a woman who wants to be with you, or many women if you want. If you can find someone that you absolutely can't live without than consider the marriage thing.

None of your criteria are a big barrier to finding women.

Ralph Nadar? Libertarian Socialist?

Ralph Nadar never married. lol