Oh baby what a race. M3k at World Indoors. Paris 1500m rematch. Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse + Beamish. Who you got?

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2 months ago 03/21/2026 3:27pm EDT

re: high school xc coach

high school xc coach wrote:
hocker's tactics were okay for what he thinks he is. if he is half a second better than everybody on the last lap, he wins.
he wasn't a half second better. he was 3/10 better.

They play better on an outdoor track. He tends to treat the part of the race between 350 to go and 200 to go much more seriously outdoors. If you have 100 to go in a straight line, making up .2-.3 is much more realistic than if you have a turn to deal with.

It seems like the new concern at least outdoors might be losing focus ahead of that final turn as opposed to just punching it.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:01pm EDT

re: rojo

Slow race, weak field.... And Hocker lost?

2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:13pm EDT

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
The race is certainly an all-timer. You have the entire paris Olympic 1500m podium plus Beamish plus Jacob Krop (2022 Worlds 5,000 silver, 2023 Worlds 5,000 bronze).
Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2026/03/2026-worl...
Who you got?

I know I'm late since I haven't watched the race yet, but I'm going to guess Kerr 1st, Nuguse 2nd, and Hocker 3rd, with Beamish getting 4th or maybe snagging a third if he has a brutal kick like he did about what was it, last year or 2 years ago or something? Anyways, I can't wait to see this!

2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:29pm EDT

re: elcocohocko

Jakob won last year in 7:46 with a 26.67 last lap.

Kerr won this year in 7:35 with a 26.34 last lap.

11 men under 7:40 this year. None last year.

Coscoran finished 6th last year. Only 13th this year in a deeper field.

Case closed. This year's race was stronger and it was harder to win.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:45pm EDT

re: three thousand

three thousand wrote:
Jakob won last year in 7:46 with a 26.67 last lap.
Kerr won this year in 7:35 with a 26.34 last lap.
11 men under 7:40 this year. None last year.
Coscoran finished 6th last year. Only 13th this year in a deeper field.
Case closed. This year's race was stronger and it was harder to win.

Jakob won last year easily to save himself some energy for the 1500m final the next day.
The only reason why there were 11 men under 7:40 is because Hocker and two Ethiopians decided to push the pace. It’s inconsequential.

Coscoran finishing lower just means theres less depth.

Jakob is a better 3000m runner than Kerr. This year’s race was easier to win.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:49pm EDT

re: three thousand

three thousand wrote:
Jakob won last year in 7:46 with a 26.67 last lap.
Kerr won this year in 7:35 with a 26.34 last lap.
11 men under 7:40 this year. None last year.
Coscoran finished 6th last year. Only 13th this year in a deeper field.
Case closed. This year's race was stronger and it was harder to win.

last year's race kicked 100 meters earlier. apples/oranges

Jakob final 300 40.08

Kerr final 300 40.53

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2 months ago 03/21/2026 4:55pm EDT

re: high school xc coach

high school xc coach wrote:
three thousand wrote:
Jakob won last year in 7:46 with a 26.67 last lap.
Kerr won this year in 7:35 with a 26.34 last lap.
11 men under 7:40 this year. None last year.
Coscoran finished 6th last year. Only 13th this year in a deeper field.
Case closed. This year's race was stronger and it was harder to win.
last year's race kicked 100 meters earlier. apples/oranges
Jakob final 300 40.08
Kerr final 300 40.53

Jakob also just ran just enough to win the race. Kerr was clearly all out.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 5:05pm EDT

re: OACHATERZZZz

OACHATERZZZz wrote:
three thousand wrote:
Jakob won last year in 7:46 with a 26.67 last lap.
Kerr won this year in 7:35 with a 26.34 last lap.
11 men under 7:40 this year. None last year.
Coscoran finished 6th last year. Only 13th this year in a deeper field.
Case closed. This year's race was stronger and it was harder to win.
Jakob won last year easily to save himself some energy for the 1500m final the next day.
The only reason why there were 11 men under 7:40 is because Hocker and two Ethiopians decided to push the pace. It’s inconsequential.
Coscoran finishing lower just means theres less depth.
Jakob is a better 3000m runner than Kerr. This year’s race was easier to win.

haha no

A mountain of data shows this year's field was stronger from top to bottom.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 5:07pm EDT

re: three thousand

three thousand wrote:
OACHATERZZZz wrote:
Jakob won last year easily to save himself some energy for the 1500m final the next day.
The only reason why there were 11 men under 7:40 is because Hocker and two Ethiopians decided to push the pace. It’s inconsequential.
Coscoran finishing lower just means theres less depth.
Jakob is a better 3000m runner than Kerr. This year’s race was easier to win.
haha no
A mountain of data shows this year's field was stronger from top to bottom.

Not in winning gold.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 5:12pm EDT

re: three thousand

Without breaking down the actual fields, There's strong logic to saying a field with Jakob and let's say 8 "b level talents" is a harder field to beat than a field without Jakob and 4 or 5 A- level 3000 talents. Jakob is hands down the best 3000m runner in the world. At least he was as of March 2025.

please stop being so smug about your OPINIONS.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 5:35pm EDT

re: high school xc coach

high school xc coach wrote:
last year's race kicked 100 meters earlier. apples/oranges
Jakob final 300 40.08
Kerr final 300 40.53

Kerr started his final 300 almost 11 seconds ahead of where Jakob was last year.

Kerr @ 2700 6:55.03

Jakob @ 2700 7:06.01

2 months ago 03/21/2026 5:52pm EDT

re: high school xc coach

high school xc coach wrote:
Without breaking down the actual fields, There's strong logic to saying a field with Jakob and let's say 8 "b level talents" is a harder field to beat than a field without Jakob and 4 or 5 A- level 3000 talents. Jakob is hands down the best 3000m runner in the world. At least he was as of March 2025.
please stop being so smug about your OPINIONS.

That logic would only be sound if Jakob was fresh, focused on that one event, and had a pacemaker to make it a 7:23 or faster race.

Was he fresh? No. He ran 4 races at Euros and was doubling in Nanjing.

Was he focused? No. Very serious family drama at the time.

Did he have a pacemaker to make it a fast race? No.

In a paced time trial in his best condition, pick Jakob. A tactical race at a championship where he’s doubling, tired, distracted, and on the verge of physical breakdown is different. In that setting, he can’t kick faster than Kerr and Hocker.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 6:00pm EDT

re: three thousand

Last year was sh!te, this year was equally as bad. The best of middle distance half-ar$es the indoor season. It's three notches below the level of diamond league/outdoor season.

Not just because the athletes are in early season shape, but because nobody cares about indoor except the Americans.

Indoor has become super boring.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 6:21pm EDT

re: Baumann fan

Baumann fan wrote:
I think Kerr is always a good bet since he is the best tactician. Hocker knows he can't get away with shoving people in championship races anymore, so he's likely going to end up in horrible position on the last lap with no way out. Nuguse seems more interested in entertaining than winning lately with his ultra-aggressive frontrunning. Beamish just isn't fast enough. Habz doesn't count because... do I really need to say it?

Gotta give this guy some props in retrospect.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 6:28pm EDT

re: OACHATERZZZz

Going back to your question of which race I’d rather be in if I was an elite runner wanting to win. Let’s say I could choose to be on Kerr’s outside shoulder at the start of the last lap today or Jakob’s last year. That means my choice is between

Crossing 2800 in 7:09.22 and needing to close faster than 26.34

Crossing 2800 in 7:19.42 and needing to close faster than 26.67

The first requirement is objectively harder. That would have been the requirement to beat Kerr.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 7:31pm EDT

re: 3 thousand

3 thousand wrote:
Going back to your question of which race I’d rather be in if I was an elite runner wanting to win. Let’s say I could choose to be on Kerr’s outside shoulder at the start of the last lap today or Jakob’s last year. That means my choice is between
Crossing 2800 in 7:09.22 and needing to close faster than 26.34
Crossing 2800 in 7:19.42 and needing to close faster than 26.67
The first requirement is objectively harder. That would have been the requirement to beat Kerr.

You're comparing what Jakob needed to do to win as he eased away from Aregawi easily vs what Kerr had to do at maximal effort to beat Hocker. It isn't about comparing the tactics of both races but the strength of the top of the field. Jakob has never lost a 3000m race and is considered the GOAT of the 3000m and the further the distance increases the more unbeatable he is. Trying to compare apples to oranges is futile.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 7:33pm EDT

re: OACHaterzz

OACHaterzz wrote:
3 thousand wrote:
Going back to your question of which race I’d rather be in if I was an elite runner wanting to win. Let’s say I could choose to be on Kerr’s outside shoulder at the start of the last lap today or Jakob’s last year. That means my choice is between
Crossing 2800 in 7:09.22 and needing to close faster than 26.34
Crossing 2800 in 7:19.42 and needing to close faster than 26.67
The first requirement is objectively harder. That would have been the requirement to beat Kerr.
You're comparing what Jakob needed to do to win as he eased away from Aregawi easily vs what Kerr had to do at maximal effort to beat Hocker. It isn't about comparing the tactics of both races but the strength of the top of the field. Jakob has never lost a 3000m race and is considered the GOAT of the 3000m and the further the distance increases the more unbeatable he is. Trying to compare apples to oranges is futile.

Adding on, when Jakob is pressured to and he knows he is going to lose, he closes far faster than Kerr ever has. Just check out the Prefontaine Classic 3k in 2023. Last year was harder to win. This year was hard to medal. Facts.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 7:44pm EDT

re: 3 thousand

3 thousand wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
Without breaking down the actual fields, There's strong logic to saying a field with Jakob and let's say 8 "b level talents" is a harder field to beat than a field without Jakob and 4 or 5 A- level 3000 talents. Jakob is hands down the best 3000m runner in the world. At least he was as of March 2025.
please stop being so smug about your OPINIONS.
That logic would only be sound if Jakob was fresh, focused on that one event, and had a pacemaker to make it a 7:23 or faster race.
Was he fresh? No. He ran 4 races at Euros and was doubling in Nanjing.
Was he focused? No. Very serious family drama at the time.
Did he have a pacemaker to make it a fast race? No.
In a paced time trial in his best condition, pick Jakob. A tactical race at a championship where he’s doubling, tired, distracted, and on the verge of physical breakdown is different. In that setting, he can’t kick faster than Kerr and Hocker.

Yes he can kick faster than Kerr and Hocker. His final 200 in Apeldoorn was faster than todays race and he wasn't even trying really.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 8:10pm EDT

re: OACHaterzz

OACHaterzz wrote:
3 thousand wrote:
Going back to your question of which race I’d rather be in if I was an elite runner wanting to win. Let’s say I could choose to be on Kerr’s outside shoulder at the start of the last lap today or Jakob’s last year. That means my choice is between
Crossing 2800 in 7:09.22 and needing to close faster than 26.34
Crossing 2800 in 7:19.42 and needing to close faster than 26.67
The first requirement is objectively harder. That would have been the requirement to beat Kerr.
You're comparing what Jakob needed to do to win as he eased away from Aregawi easily vs what Kerr had to do at maximal effort to beat Hocker. It isn't about comparing the tactics of both races but the strength of the top of the field. Jakob has never lost a 3000m race and is considered the GOAT of the 3000m and the further the distance increases the more unbeatable he is. Trying to compare apples to oranges is futile.

The tactics of both races matter for evaluating which one is harder to win. This year’s race required a faster close off a faster split against fresher, more focused, and deeper competition. Facts.

2 months ago 03/21/2026 8:15pm EDT

re: OACHaterzz

OACHaterzz wrote:
3 thousand wrote:
That logic would only be sound if Jakob was fresh, focused on that one event, and had a pacemaker to make it a 7:23 or faster race.
Was he fresh? No. He ran 4 races at Euros and was doubling in Nanjing.
Was he focused? No. Very serious family drama at the time.
Did he have a pacemaker to make it a fast race? No.
In a paced time trial in his best condition, pick Jakob. A tactical race at a championship where he’s doubling, tired, distracted, and on the verge of physical breakdown is different. In that setting, he can’t kick faster than Kerr and Hocker.
Yes he can kick faster than Kerr and Hocker. His final 200 in Apeldoorn was faster than todays race and he wasn't even trying really.

Apeldoorn was a 7:48 race. Not a 7:35 race like today. Jakob does not have a better kick than Kerr and Hocker

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