This sounds like the truth. There is no reason for the teammate to lie, be the cool story would be to say you were friends with Cain in high school.
It has also widely been reported that Cain had a hard time fitting into her pro group. I really don't think a bunch of pro runners are going to be jealous and mean to a 16 year old. A bet a lot of the pro runners would be excited to be a friend and mentor to her. But allegedly Cain was such a mean selfish annoying brat that the pros didn't want to be associated with her.
I can verify this as well since I also know someone that ran under AlSal when she was there. She was a bit odd and immature and they were older than her. They were not about to tolerate her behavior. Basically she had no friends on the team for several reasons. Should have taken the NCAA route.
You don't have to elaborate too much, but what do you mean by "odd" in this context? A lot of kids are odd/immature at this age.
Mary Cain’s new book is coming out soon and TFN has had an early look at it.
This part of the review really caught my attention.
TFN wrote:
Bronxville, NY is an upscale community north of New York City and Mary’s time with the Bronxville HS team was not a happy time. Despite her amazing early running success and the honors she helped the team win, the older girls on the team shunned and bullied her, and some of their parents were even worse. And the coach did nothing to stop the abuse. So by the time Salazar’s invitation came, she had left the team, and it seemed like a wonderful opportunity — even if she had to spend a lot of time across the country as a 16-year-old, far from family and friends.
Any Bronxville people want to chime in here? The Bronxville coach was a legendary figure, right? I’m supposed to believe he just let a superstar athlete get abused.
I’m sorry. I’m having a hard time believing that. That makes no sense. Wouldn’t every coach in the world be bending over backwards to placate a 5 star recruit like Cain.
I once heard that Cain’s older sister supposedly thought everyone on the team was out to get her as well. What’s the truth here? This seems weird to me that she’s always magically a super victim.
As a female, I can tell you that women are absolutely terrible to other women, especially when they are jealous, and especially when they are teenagers.
The mean ones don't get better when they're older, either.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but a more contemporary athlete- I think I remember reading something about SML not being treated very nicely by her teammates when she was in high school? Pretty sure that was a jealousy thing too.
An observation from coaching high school track 30 plus years: kids on a team universally dislike the teammate with helicopter parents who constantly meddle to get their child special treatment. If you want your child to be disliked get him or her excused from the rules that apply to everyone else and get special treatment no one else gets. From what I have heard the Cains were the skikorsys of helicopter parents.
Mary Cain’s new book is coming out soon and TFN has had an early look at it.
This part of the review really caught my attention.
Any Bronxville people want to chime in here? The Bronxville coach was a legendary figure, right? I’m supposed to believe he just let a superstar athlete get abused.
I’m sorry. I’m having a hard time believing that. That makes no sense. Wouldn’t every coach in the world be bending over backwards to placate a 5 star recruit like Cain.
I once heard that Cain’s older sister supposedly thought everyone on the team was out to get her as well. What’s the truth here? This seems weird to me that she’s always magically a super victim.
The really shocking thing about that book review is that the reviewer appears to take at face value everything that Cain says. I have no intention of buying the book, but I would like to hear what Cain says about her own parents' role in her life, her own decision to forego a serious college education to focus on her athletic career, her own attempt to return to Salazar's coaching after so many setbacks and so much alleged abuse, and so many other matters that might give an objective observer reason not to take everything she says at face value.
lifes challenges, are a test, and you can come back stronger, and this is the method of the winner in life.
Cain exemplified the loser mentality, where nothing is her fault, and is a victim.
and attempts to persuade others to fold their tent, and cry woe is me.
we all have to man up, or live the life of a pathetic loser pvssy.
if you choose the latter, go to your doctor, and takecsomething to balance your hormones.
Mary Cain’s new book is coming out soon and TFN has had an early look at it.
This part of the review really caught my attention.
Any Bronxville people want to chime in here? The Bronxville coach was a legendary figure, right? I’m supposed to believe he just let a superstar athlete get abused.
I’m sorry. I’m having a hard time believing that. That makes no sense. Wouldn’t every coach in the world be bending over backwards to placate a 5 star recruit like Cain.
I once heard that Cain’s older sister supposedly thought everyone on the team was out to get her as well. What’s the truth here? This seems weird to me that she’s always magically a super victim.
As a female, I can tell you that women are absolutely terrible to other women, especially when they are jealous, and especially when they are teenagers.
The mean ones don't get better when they're older, either.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but a more contemporary athlete- I think I remember reading something about SML not being treated very nicely by her teammates when she was in high school? Pretty sure that was a jealousy thing too.
this behavior is hardwired in females subconscious.
the cavewoman, fighting the others for their piece of meat, and favors of the powers that be, ... big swindk, metaphorically of figuratively soeaking.
maturity and wisdom is being aware and self observant, where you understand a bit.
no advice on ultimate course of action.
clarity of mind, however, that tends to work for a better group behavior.
An observation from coaching high school track 30 plus years: kids on a team universally dislike the teammate with helicopter parents who constantly meddle to get their child special treatment. If you want your child to be disliked get him or her excused from the rules that apply to everyone else and get special treatment no one else gets. From what I have heard the Cains were the skikorsys of helicopter parents.
When Mary Cain sued Salazar, et al, her parents should have been included as defendants. They sent their kid 3000 miles away with no peer group (as a college student would have) in place. Their kid appears to be socially awkward in the first place and was supposedly being bullied (in her mind) in HS. Why would you send your kid that far away under these circumstances.
Mary should write a book about her parents being too worried about their own legacy through their child and neglectful in advising her properly.
i am super critical of cain.
she seemed like a lovely kid doing track and then the world happened.
her place is to run and have fun full stop.
once things got challenging, she adapted a toxic psyche, and to damage others, to buy into a victim loser mentality, so very prevalent today.
we end up in our echo chamber dont we? rationalizing things in our little box, it is a kind of narcicism, insanity.
Just because Salazar was a bad person and abused others doesn’t mean Mary Cain is nice and/or a good person. They could both be nice/bad people. Not saying Cain is a bad person, but seems like she likes to play victim and in one of the comment’s above, not a good teammate. Makes sense. So much success at six an early age can get to your head.
I can verify this as well since I also know someone that ran under AlSal when she was there. She was a bit odd and immature and they were older than her. They were not about to tolerate her behavior. Basically she had no friends on the team for several reasons. Should have taken the NCAA route.
You don't have to elaborate too much, but what do you mean by "odd" in this context? A lot of kids are odd/immature at this age.
She was strange period. And immature for her age. Why would teammates who are 25-30 who have lives of their own including spouses want to hang out with a 19 yr old who doesn’t fit in with the group.
The really shocking thing about that book review is that the reviewer appears to take at face value everything that Cain says. I have no intention of buying the book, but I would like to hear what Cain says about her own parents' role in her life, her own decision to forego a serious college education to focus on her athletic career, her own attempt to return to Salazar's coaching after so many setbacks and so much alleged abuse, and so many other matters that might give an objective observer reason not to take everything she says at face value.
When she decided to go pro and was negotiating shoe deals her parents were involved, obviously, and were interested in nothing other than getting the biggest dollar amount they could. Nothing else mattered. I know this because I have a friend who worked for another shoe company and was negotiating with them. One of my sons knew a few of her high school teammates and there was no love lost between them and her. Maybe that manifested itself as bullying. I'll be interested to see if there's any counterpoint coming out.
Since this is coming from HRE (and not some random poster), I have to think what he says has a lot of truth to it. Also, in addition to this high school drama and the NOP drama — didn’t she have a very short, drama filled employment/deal with Tracksmith and a get people to put up money for her own Atalanta NYC “Team” which was unable to hold on to or recruit runners?
Mary victim complex Cain. Funny when these people are doing well you don't hear about any problems. But when they hit a downslide, then all of a sudden it's everyone else's fault.
Not a mention in her linkedin which tells you everything you need to know.
What’s your point. Nothing special about her Linked In. It is what it is. We all know she’s in med school and frankly I just noticed her PRs. They suck.
Not a mention in her linkedin which tells you everything you need to know.
What’s your point. Nothing special about her Linked In. It is what it is. We all know she’s in med school and frankly I just noticed her PRs. They suck.
I imagine a lot of things are at least partly true at the same time in a very complicated situation (talking mainly about her HS days here):
-I believe and understand from what others in my sphere have said, that her coach is a very good coach and a good guy.
-I believe that, at the heart of it, Mary is a good kid.
-I believe that all of her talent and success, and what she subsequently wanted and needed simply created situations and relationships that no one was quite prepared to handle, whether it was Mary, her parents, coaches, teammates and their parents, etc. One of those things that spirals and snowballs with a lot of little things adding up to big things and unhappy people. All those involved needed help understanding how to work with an uber-talented athlete and creating an environment where everyone could co-exist and thrive together.
And they didn't get it. So teammates, their parents, Mary's parents, the coach and Mary herself all wind up feeling hurt or mistreated in some way. Ultimately, everyone lost in this situation.
I don't think this is necessarily super unusual where you have super elite athletes that are just head and shoulders beyond their teammates... but maybe it's better in many situations where people make better decisions and/or can manage potential jealousies, etc.
there's likely a lot of truth to what she's saying, but this is a story that deserves to be heard from all sides. im very interested in what she has to say, but not sure I'm gonna bother looking into it if the other sides aren't also represented in some form.
I"ve coached and been in a teacher in all schools of all demographics. My least favorite to be a part of are the more affluent schools. To sum it up...if these students or parents do not get what they want, there could be hell to pay. I'm not overgeneralizing...I said could. I've never had such a problem in schools with more challenged demographics. As subjective as the term bullying is used these days, it could easily be inserted. I don't know the backstory to Mary Cain's high school life, but I totally agree this story deserves to be heard from all sides.