Great example, he was within 1 minute of his current PB! Essentially at his peak! No different at all!
I think you are trolling SS, and I didn't agree with him earlier in the thread on everything, but come on.
You have misunderstood. -The discussion isn’t about being near one own’s peak the whole career (nobody is), but if one can have WR ability more than 3-4 years. And Jacob Kiplimo (my apologies for calling him Jakob) had a world record ability by 57.37 IMO….
Jakob Ingebrigtsen tell norwegian press he is aiming for breaking the 1500, mile and 5000 in the upcoming season. He is already picking the time and place for it. Can he do it?
If he is anywhere near his 7:54.10 and/or 7:17.55 shape, then the 5000m wr will be broken. (I'm 99.7% certain of that)
His 7:17.55 converts to 7:52.5, so his 2-mile record is irrelevant as to determining what he’s capable of.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Well, Jakob has to have some luck to beat your predictions here (especially also because of the never ending family conflict) -but some of us here think that is possible (but of course not a given).
With all due respect, trial stress doesn't cause achilles injuries.
I’m not saying stress (alone) is causing injuries. And neither does Jakob in his interviews (although he doesn’t say stress does not cause anything). But it’s interesting that his agent and brother Henrik think so, and that he is supported by some experts.
Personally I would never claim that stress leads directly to a concrete injury, but I think an athlete’s totality when it’s comes to situation of life matters…
You have to be kidding me. You really don't understand what I am saying at all, do you.
There is a difference between being world class and then for the talented few who can rise above that to be historically great performers (WR holders). Coe is actually an awful example to give here if you want to dispel my opinion/hypothesis. The one data point you have that you think have to validate your counter is the 3.29.77 in 1986.
Coe's window was 1979-1982. 4 years. This was when he was at the absolute peak of his athletic ability. The 3.29.77 performance from 1986 (which even then was an outlier for Coe because his next best performance from 1983 until that run in 1986 was 3.32.12) a) wasn't the WR and b) simply points to him being able to really obliterate that record and have it down under 3.29.0 well before even Cram or Aouita came along - but unfortunately he quite simply didn't. There is zero other evidence you have to support Coe having this "WR ability" from 1983 to 86. I mean in all honesty did you even look at any numbers? His WA profile is quite complete and it's all there.
The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33. And when you look at this season he only ran once over 1500m - the (in)famous 3.31.95 in Stockholm where the pacing was poor and absurdly fast - 52.43 (with him at maybe 53.3), 1.49.18 (him at 1.50.0) - so he basically ran it solo going 53.3, 56.7, 58.3, 43.6 for 3.31.95 which clearly in a sensibly paced race points to something in the high 3.28's especially with him being in sub 1.42 and sub 3.48 mile shape.
In 1983 his bests were 1.43.80, 3.35.1 and 3.52.9. In 1984 1.43.6, 3.32.4 and 3.54.6. 1985 1.43.07, 3.32.13, 3.49.22. And in 1986 1.44.10 and 3.29.77 (no mile performance). Again, all that one -off 1986 performance proves is that Coe was capable of so much better earlier in his career. The fact that was a massive outlier performance for him and it still didn't break the WR validates my opinion more than it does yours.
Saying "well he was injured/sick in some of those seasons" is irrelevant. That is part of the game. The reason you get injured/sick is because you push your body beyond it's limits and if you are at his level, the level of training needed to be a WR contender isn't long term sustainable.
By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.
El G 1998-2001 (he did run 3.26.89 in 02 but not sure he was a legit threat for that record like when he just missed it in 01). Morceli 1992-1995, Rudisha 2009-2012, Kipketer 1996-97, Komen 1996-1998, Bekele 04-08 across the 5 and the 10. I could continue for a while - who do you have other than Seb Coe who doesn't that criteria anyway, aside from it being your opinion?
It's amazing we already schooled you but you still double down on your stupidity. They say it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Coe PR-ed by 2 full secs and was just 0.3 sec off the WR, how was he not at his peak? And being 0.3 secs off the WR in a 1500 meant exactly he was a "WR contender" even though he didn't make it in the end. Has it ever occurred to you that the 800 and 1500 are just different (enough) events so you couldn't be in WR shape for both at the same time. 1500 is 80% aerobic, while 800 is only 55-60% so they are very different, even more different than 1500 to 5k (which is 90%), especially for faster runners. Regardless, Coe was still at the top of his game from 1979-86, not 1979-82 like you said.
Bekele also had a larger window than you suggested. The peak Bekele should be 03-09. At 03 he already broke the 10k WR (26:20, lowering it again to 26:17 at 05), and won the 10k World Championship in a sub-27 with a sub 13 second half, dethroning the then GOAT Geb. At 09 he pulled off the double with the 10k won in a CR (26.46) which still stands today. So that's 6 years.
Now let me add one more example, Cheptegei (2019-2024 and possibly beyond). He's clearly in WR shape already in Doha when he closed a sub 26:50 race in 54-55 but there's no Wavelight until 2020. And in 2024 he seemed to be in even better shape than 2020/2021, where he annihilated the OR with a 26:43 (closing in 54). Too bad he moved to the road, where, I believe, he doesn't belong (as opposed to Kiplimo), but there's no indication he's a shadow of his former self if he stuck with track and that's 5+ years for Chep.
So yeah, your "3-4 years window" theory has been debunked.
“Time is running out. No athlete at this level has more than 3-4 seasons of world record ability” is a central theme in your current post. And in several threads prior to this you have stressed that athletes have a short time window for their best senior performances…
Well, you have a point, and we can find athletes that align to this.
But the problem is that your absolute wording makes you wrong, because we can find well known athletes that exceed your 3-4 seasons and also your time window. Coe is an example here -he is not far from (even at some point has) the WR in one or more of his main events starting maybe in 1978, but definitely at least in 1979, and ending in 1986 (a 8-9 year span). And in my opinion he is a WR contender in at least six of these seasons.
So what about Jakob -well, you might be right. But you may also be wrong. Time will tell…
You have to be kidding me. You really don't understand what I am saying at all, do you.
There is a difference between being world class and then for the talented few who can rise above that to be historically great performers (WR holders). Coe is actually an awful example to give here if you want to dispel my opinion/hypothesis. The one data point you have that you think have to validate your counter is the 3.29.77 in 1986.
Coe's window was 1979-1982. 4 years. This was when he was at the absolute peak of his athletic ability. The 3.29.77 performance from 1986 (which even then was an outlier for Coe because his next best performance from 1983 until that run in 1986 was 3.32.12) a) wasn't the WR and b) simply points to him being able to really obliterate that record and have it down under 3.29.0 well before even Cram or Aouita came along - but unfortunately he quite simply didn't. There is zero other evidence you have to support Coe having this "WR ability" from 1983 to 86. I mean in all honesty did you even look at any numbers? His WA profile is quite complete and it's all there.
The 3 WR's he set in his career all came in 1981. 1.41.73, 2.12.18 and 3.47.33. And when you look at this season he only ran once over 1500m - the (in)famous 3.31.95 in Stockholm where the pacing was poor and absurdly fast - 52.43 (with him at maybe 53.3), 1.49.18 (him at 1.50.0) - so he basically ran it solo going 53.3, 56.7, 58.3, 43.6 for 3.31.95 which clearly in a sensibly paced race points to something in the high 3.28's especially with him being in sub 1.42 and sub 3.48 mile shape.
In 1983 his bests were 1.43.80, 3.35.1 and 3.52.9. In 1984 1.43.6, 3.32.4 and 3.54.6. 1985 1.43.07, 3.32.13, 3.49.22. And in 1986 1.44.10 and 3.29.77 (no mile performance). Again, all that one -off 1986 performance proves is that Coe was capable of so much better earlier in his career. The fact that was a massive outlier performance for him and it still didn't break the WR validates my opinion more than it does yours.
Saying "well he was injured/sick in some of those seasons" is irrelevant. That is part of the game. The reason you get injured/sick is because you push your body beyond it's limits and if you are at his level, the level of training needed to be a WR contender isn't long term sustainable.
By the way, you talk about these "well known athletes" in plural. Who are they? You gave one guy.
El G 1998-2001 (he did run 3.26.89 in 02 but not sure he was a legit threat for that record like when he just missed it in 01). Morceli 1992-1995, Rudisha 2009-2012, Kipketer 1996-97, Komen 1996-1998, Bekele 04-08 across the 5 and the 10. I could continue for a while - who do you have other than Seb Coe who doesn't that criteria anyway, aside from it being your opinion?
Coe was at his best in 1982?
He has not set 3 (individual) WRs in his career, but 11.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Well, Jakob has to have some luck to beat your predictions here (especially also because of the never ending family conflict) -but some of us here think that is possible (but of course not a given).
It isn't luck; he needs new Achilles tendons since the ones he has break down now under stress. Once that deterioration begins it means the chances of the injury recurring increases if his tendons are subjected to the same or similar demands that led to these injuries. To take the world records that he says he is aiming for would require months of optimal training and competing, with no setback. The problem is that training and competing at that level would almost certainly provoke the Achilles problems he has already experienced. To continue competing he has to lighten his load but that won't enable him to achieve record breaking form. World records at this level aren't achieved by hampered or compromised athletes.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Broke two world records 8 months ago- "HE'S COOKED!"
I don't know if the 1500/mile outdoor are possible (but he has been rather close during years when time trials weren't the priority) but I think the 5000m is very achievable if his current training situation addresses his achilles sensitivities adequately.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Could you explain how Andreas Almgren, after serious injury every single season and never having medaled as a senior beyond nationals, has been able to medal at Worlds and become the fastest European in history in the 5000, 10k road and half marathon at 30 years old? While training more or less identically as the Ingebrigtsen, being a training partner of them and having gotten training input directly from them?
I know that your answer is just going to be doping, but can you at least try?
It isn't luck; he needs new Achilles tendons since the ones he has break down now under stress. Once that deterioration begins it means the chances of the injury recurring increases if his tendons are subjected to the same or similar demands that led to these injuries. To take the world records that he says he is aiming for would require months of optimal training and competing, with no setback. The problem is that training and competing at that level would almost certainly provoke the Achilles problems he has already experienced. To continue competing he has to lighten his load but that won't enable him to achieve record breaking form. World records at this level aren't achieved by hampered or compromised athletes.
I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m only pointing on the fact that there might be a way around the problems of reoccurring injuries -Hocker e.g managed not only to come back from Achilles problems, but also at the same time up his training to a new level of fitness…
He has not set 3 (individual) WRs in his career, but 11.
So his window was actually 3 years? Fine with that. Proves my point even more. When I referred to the 800m, 1000m and mile WR's as his "3" WR's I should have prefaced that with "that remained HIS lifetime PR's". Sorry.
But thanks for supporting my point - because when did those individual WR's happen? Let's count them.
800m: 1979, 1981
1000m: 1980, 1981
1500m: 1979
Mile: 1979, 1981, 1981
The indoor WR's 1981, and two in 1983 - but let's be honest here, 1.44.91 was over 3 seconds off his outdoor best and 2.18.58 over 7 seconds off his outdoor best. Not sure what those records show with respect to his fitness/potential especially given how little focus indoor running was given back in that era, unless it was the mile being run in the US.
So 8 outdoor WR's, all happened between 1979 and 1981. Thanks again for helping me there.
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It's amazing we already schooled you but you still double down on your stupidity. They say it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Coe PR-ed by 2 full secs and was just 0.3 sec off the WR, how was he not at his peak? And being 0.3 secs off the WR in a 1500 meant exactly he was a "WR contender" even though he didn't make it in the end. Has it ever occurred to you that the 800 and 1500 are just different (enough) events so you couldn't be in WR shape for both at the same time. 1500 is 80% aerobic, while 800 is only 55-60% so they are very different, even more different than 1500 to 5k (which is 90%), especially for faster runners. Regardless, Coe was still at the top of his game from 1979-86, not 1979-82 like you said.
Bekele also had a larger window than you suggested. The peak Bekele should be 03-09. At 03 he already broke the 10k WR (26:20, lowering it again to 26:17 at 05), and won the 10k World Championship in a sub-27 with a sub 13 second half, dethroning the then GOAT Geb. At 09 he pulled off the double with the 10k won in a CR (26.46) which still stands today. So that's 6 years.
Now let me add one more example, Cheptegei (2019-2024 and possibly beyond). He's clearly in WR shape already in Doha when he closed a sub 26:50 race in 54-55 but there's no Wavelight until 2020. And in 2024 he seemed to be in even better shape than 2020/2021, where he annihilated the OR with a 26:43 (closing in 54). Too bad he moved to the road, where, I believe, he doesn't belong (as opposed to Kiplimo), but there's no indication he's a shadow of his former self if he stuck with track and that's 5+ years for Chep.
So yeah, your "3-4 years window" theory has been debunked.
It's okay, I get it - you're the same guy posting under different usernames to back yourself up - it's fine. "We already schooled you". Yeah okay, that made me laugh.
I love this line "They say it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." - you're so right about that. Like when you claimed Kenesisa Bekele broke the WR over 10000m in 2003. It's okay buddy, you were only 27 seconds off being correct there.
I give you some leeway here because it's obvious you are not a native english speaker so probably don't comprehend everything correctly. The "window" theory is not about competitiveness on a world stage. These great athletes are competitive before and after - that's not the point. The point is that it's impossible to have a career spanning almost a decade where you can be a threat to break WR's every single season. The one exception is with 10000m runners moving up to the marathon for obvious reasons, but we are talking about the track here.
Since you became fixated on Bekele, let's look at him with facts and not your emotional "would have, could have, should have". In 2005 Bekele had one big last attempt at the 5000m WR in Paris and ran 12.40.18. The facts are, he never came within 8 seconds of that performance ever again. So you're contending that with a contractual rollover bonus of probably 250k-300k for him to the break a WR, Bekele despite in your opinion being able to break these records well into 2008/2009 he just didn't want to yeah? Hmm, okay.
Over 10000m he actually put your emotional theory to the test because he went for the WR at Prefontaine and they took attempt so seriously that they ran it at 9.30am so they could maintain his preferred European time zone running time (about 5.30pm) and they took 20 years of weather data from Hayward into account to make sure he had the best conditions possible. And then he ran 26.25 which was 8 seconds off his record. You must be some kind of epic weasel/troll hybrid to sit here and make that contention about Bekele.
Cheptegei? You're claiming a performance that was 30+ seconds off the WR made him "clearly" in WR shape? Jesus Christ man, and after 2020 he hasn't been within 30 seconds of his record. In 2023 they had a publicized WR attempt in Lausanne over 5000m and he was beaten by Aregawi in a very good 12.41 - 6 seconds off his WR. Cheptegei freaking peak career moment was almost arguably only ONE season. Good lord.
So you haven't provided one athlete that debunks any theory - except your own. This type of Treasel work (Troll-weasel) I really don't mind. It forces me to continue getting facts to sharpen my opinions. The more name you throw out there, the more I do a quick look-up of the facts and the more I learn. So thank you.
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He has not set 3 (individual) WRs in his career, but 11.
So his window was actually 3 years? Fine with that. Proves my point even more. When I referred to the 800m, 1000m and mile WR's as his "3" WR's I should have prefaced that with "that remained HIS lifetime PR's". Sorry.
But thanks for supporting my point - because when did those individual WR's happen? Let's count them.
800m: 1979, 1981
1000m: 1980, 1981
1500m: 1979
Mile: 1979, 1981, 1981
The indoor WR's 1981, and two in 1983 - but let's be honest here, 1.44.91 was over 3 seconds off his outdoor best and 2.18.58 over 7 seconds off his outdoor best. Not sure what those records show with respect to his fitness/potential especially given how little focus indoor running was given back in that era, unless it was the mile being run in the US.
So 8 outdoor WR's, all happened between 1979 and 1981. Thanks again for helping me there.
1979 - 1982 is clearly the international "hole" left by the Olympic boycotts of 1976 (because NZ), 1980 and 1984. Its there where appeared Ovett, Morcroft and Cram.
I dropped my eyes on Coe after seeing his finals 800m of 1980 and 1984.
He never confirmed he was dominant force of nature. Things like that you see them only on freak runners like Kipketer and Rudisha.
“And then he ran 26.25 which was 8 seconds off his record. You must be some kind of epic weasel/troll hybrid to sit here and make that contention about Bekele.” -These are your words! And I have a hard time to read this as other than a very desperate defence of your narrative…
Let me elaborate a little on my last sentence in the paragraph above: I respect that you have a strict definition of what you mean by “WR ability”, and that you don’t find Bekele to have that in 2008. Although I disagree. But what puzzles me is that one has to be “some kind of epic weasel/troll hybrid” to have a different opinion than yours here, given Bekele was only 8 sec behind his own WR in such a long distance, in a season where he won double OG gold + WC xc gold. -If you are so strict in your definition you should have changed the wordings from “WR ability” to “factually breaking the WR”. But then the whole point with this 3-4 season window seems to fall apart, because you didn’t really mean Jakob had to break the WR in all of his events in all of the seasons in the window, did you..? I thought it was the other way around -that one has to have a WR ability some seasons to actually breaking the WR once or twice (because factually doing this is hard, even having the potential)…?
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So his window was actually 3 years? Fine with that. Proves my point even more. When I referred to the 800m, 1000m and mile WR's as his "3" WR's I should have prefaced that with "that remained HIS lifetime PR's". Sorry.
But thanks for supporting my point - because when did those individual WR's happen? Let's count them.
800m: 1979, 1981
1000m: 1980, 1981
1500m: 1979
Mile: 1979, 1981, 1981
The indoor WR's 1981, and two in 1983 - but let's be honest here, 1.44.91 was over 3 seconds off his outdoor best and 2.18.58 over 7 seconds off his outdoor best. Not sure what those records show with respect to his fitness/potential especially given how little focus indoor running was given back in that era, unless it was the mile being run in the US.
So 8 outdoor WR's, all happened between 1979 and 1981. Thanks again for helping me there.
He never confirmed he was dominant force of nature. Things like that you see them only on freak runners like Kipketer and Rudisha.
At his best, in the 800m he was as good as both Kipketer and Rudisha (with better sprint qualities). And he was almost as good up to the Mile.
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Broke two world records 8 months ago- "HE'S COOKED!"
I don't know if the 1500/mile outdoor are possible (but he has been rather close during years when time trials weren't the priority) but I think the 5000m is very achievable if his current training situation addresses his achilles sensitivities adequately.
His second Achilles injury followed the indoor world marks - so those records are not an indication of where he has been since. So how well did he do at the world's? He doesn't just have an Achilles "susceptibility" - he has had career-interrupting injuries to both tendons. The message is clear; his body cannot continue to take the demands he is making on it. There are no world records coming if he remains at a real risk of further Achilles issues or if he has to reduce his training to cope.
Broke two world records 8 months ago- "HE'S COOKED!"
I don't know if the 1500/mile outdoor are possible (but he has been rather close during years when time trials weren't the priority) but I think the 5000m is very achievable if his current training situation addresses his achilles sensitivities adequately.
His second Achilles injury followed the indoor world marks - so those records are not an indication of where he has been since. So how well did he do at the world's? He doesn't just have an Achilles "susceptibility" - he has had career-interrupting injuries to both tendons. The message is clear; his body cannot continue to take the demands he is making on it. There are no world records coming if he remains at a real risk of further Achilles issues or if he has to reduce his training to cope.
I'm going to laugh so hard when Jakob breaks his next World Record 😂😂
How can a thread like this ignore the elephant in the room, which is Ingebrigtsen's dismal performances at the last WC's? It changes everything. His dramatic decline was the result of injuries he has now become susceptible to. He cannot possibly attain the kind of form that would enable him to take the toughest records in the books unless his form and fitness is superior to what it ever has been - or he would already have those records. His performance at the world's shows his level after injury and with less than optimal training. To break a succession of world records next year he would have to train harder and better than he ever has. He would have to become virtually superhuman. Everything would have to align - and especially his health. His Achilles injuries have shown what happens even with his previous workload. There is no way they will hold up if he asks even more of them. Serious injuries (and that's what tendon injuries are) end careers and they now signal the end of his at the top of his sport is coming.
Could you explain how Andreas Almgren, after serious injury every single season and never having medaled as a senior beyond nationals, has been able to medal at Worlds and become the fastest European in history in the 5000, 10k road and half marathon at 30 years old? While training more or less identically as the Ingebrigtsen, being a training partner of them and having gotten training input directly from them?
I know that your answer is just going to be doping, but can you at least try?
You are right; I am supremely sceptical of an athlete who claims repeated injuries who then miraculously attains an exceptional level late in their career when they can be expected to be past their peak. The "injuries" can be used subsequently to explain a relatively poor level of performance - such as never medalling in a national championship - before an athlete chooses to dope. It certainly suggest to me his injuries were not serious. Those that are typically end careers. Late-career bloomers are often the result of doping. We are seeing that kind of discussion now about Jess Hull and Georgia Hunter-Bell. I am not convinced Almgren is the right example for a late career revival triumphing over years of injury.
His second Achilles injury followed the indoor world marks - so those records are not an indication of where he has been since. So how well did he do at the world's? He doesn't just have an Achilles "susceptibility" - he has had career-interrupting injuries to both tendons. The message is clear; his body cannot continue to take the demands he is making on it. There are no world records coming if he remains at a real risk of further Achilles issues or if he has to reduce his training to cope.
I'm going to laugh so hard when Jakob breaks his next World Record 😂😂
I hope you manage to find something else that will amuse you. The joke could be a long time coming.
It isn't luck; he needs new Achilles tendons since the ones he has break down now under stress. Once that deterioration begins it means the chances of the injury recurring increases if his tendons are subjected to the same or similar demands that led to these injuries. To take the world records that he says he is aiming for would require months of optimal training and competing, with no setback. The problem is that training and competing at that level would almost certainly provoke the Achilles problems he has already experienced. To continue competing he has to lighten his load but that won't enable him to achieve record breaking form. World records at this level aren't achieved by hampered or compromised athletes.
I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m only pointing on the fact that there might be a way around the problems of reoccurring injuries -Hocker e.g managed not only to come back from Achilles problems, but also at the same time up his training to a new level of fitness…
I am supremely sceptical of Hocker's ability to win one race a year after a series of continuous losses. Ingebrigtsen may recover from his injuries but since they have occurred in both Achilles now he shows that the risk of further injury remains. He may go for a period without injury but I cannot see that happening over the next year if he trains and competes at the level necessary to take the 3 toughest track md and distance records in the books.