I would love to see you link to some definitions. This is what I found.
"someone who is so much better than their competition that their level of dominance is only seen once in a generation …"
Tuohy is slower than a dozen women from her generation. Decker was a generational talent. Webb was a generational Talent. Ryun was a generational talent. Mondo is a generational talent. Trying to claim that Tuohy is much better than Valby or Schweizer or Cranny or Hedengren makes you delusional.
Something about Tuohy really bothers you I can tell.
Please point out where I have done the following "Trying to claim that Tuohy is much better than Valby or Schweizer or Cranny or Hedengren"
There is a discussion on Reddit where among other things people claim there are 2-5 (current) generational talents in the NBA.
But, again, if you go with the one and only one generational talent in a generation you better have a good crystal ball. Because in 5-10 years you will likely turn out to be wrong.
It’s not worth spending time responding to the drivel being spewed from the dim-witted trolls. They’re not even clever & make no attempt to be.
Both her and Valby shoulda been targeting Word XC this fall / winter. They're young and should be chasing competition / high level racing experience instead of PRs and qualifiers. I think that's a big problem with the sport the last several years. But I'm just a guy with an office job so what do I know :)
I actually thought her arm mechanics were different especially early in the race before she took off.
The arms were raised slightly higher than normal which is what you were seeing. The arm muscle were also tensed (part of why posters are commenting on her bulk)
As far as the foot plant, touhy has always had a moderate pronate problem. It looks like that has been partially corrected.
Read the first page then gave up. 15:04 mostly solo mid-training block and presumably 6 weeks off of a peak is a great result. Would not be at all surprised by 14:5x low at nats.
Good result. Along with Valby being injured, I think the Tuohy vs. Valby wars aren't over, not by a long shot.
Tuohy making up ground as a result of an injury to Valby, is hardly a return to the competitive races they’ve had in the past. Once Valby gets back on her game, she’ll go back to beating Tuohy by 15+ seconds in the 5000m.
I'm not a Tuohy fan but I definitely think she is capable of sub 15 and possibly 14:50 this year.
I agree. She hadn't raced since indoor season and this wasn't an ideal scenario for a blazing time. There's no reason why she can't get below sub 15 this season, which would probably be a pretty big confidence boost for her.
Both her and Valby shoulda been targeting Word XC this fall / winter. They're young and should be chasing competition / high level racing experience instead of PRs and qualifiers. I think that's a big problem with the sport the last several years. But I'm just a guy with an office job so what do I know :)
I agree but there’s no reason that they can’t do both. I love XC and am hoping the US puts forth competitive men’s & women’s teams. Tuohy really likes the sport so I see her trying to make the team. I also see Valby wanting to make the team if she can keep her injuries at bay.
Good result. Along with Valby being injured, I think the Tuohy vs. Valby wars aren't over, not by a long shot.
Tuohy making up ground as a result of an injury to Valby, is hardly a return to the competitive races they’ve had in the past. Once Valby gets back on her game, she’ll go back to beating Tuohy by 15+ seconds in the 5000m.
You really get off on trolling, don’t you? That a sad and pathetic way to be but I guess haters are gonna hate.
Tuohy making up ground as a result of an injury to Valby, is hardly a return to the competitive races they’ve had in the past. Once Valby gets back on her game, she’ll go back to beating Tuohy by 15+ seconds in the 5000m.
You really get off on trolling, don’t you? That a sad and pathetic way to be but I guess haters are gonna hate.
When Valby regains fitness, she is probably capable of running 14:45 while Tuohy has yet to break 15:00. There have been many posters that are bearish about how much she can improve from her 15:04 so I don’t see why I’m a hater. My comments are based on my assessments of the trajectories of their careers and it’s nothing personal.
Both her and Valby shoulda been targeting Word XC this fall / winter. They're young and should be chasing competition / high level racing experience instead of PRs and qualifiers. I think that's a big problem with the sport the last several years. But I'm just a guy with an office job so what do I know :)
There’s no reason for them not to run World XC, but they’re likely to be mid-packers and won’t gain valuable experience from running it.
How is the women's 5,000 strong right now? Who are the elite American 5,000 runners?
Again, how is the American women strong now?
You have a 14:25 and the rest are 14:45 or slower. You have American men who can run withing 10 seconds of the WR and the American women are not even in the ball park.
My bad I hadn’t checked this thread since my post. I meant strong compared to where Touhy is right now. During the 2023 indoor season she was a legit contender for the US team, but because of Andrews/Houlihan/Valby, plus maybe Morgan. But tbh, when I made the post I was also thinking of Monson and ESP, and I think Monson is out with injury, and ESP is out with a kid. Plus isn’t Vably injured too? And Houlihan hasn’t had any races like her 14:2x (although her sb is 14:45 where Andrew’s ran 14:25, so 14:2x shape wouldn’t shock me by August).
Looking at the US list this year, Tuohy ranks 14th. Assuming Mackay only runs the 1500, it looks like the top people to beat will be Andrew’s, Houlihan, and Morgan. The next fastest is Ella Donaghu at 14:50 from BU, and Tuohy beat her by 4s at PTF. Past them, Schweizer should be a factor, no clue if she’ll be in her 14:3x shape of last year, but her 4:06 in May, and 14:56 a couple weeks ago shows she’s in good shape. I think Tuohy would’ve run about the same in that race (2nd to last lol).
And then I’m also really Bullish on Jane Hedengren since she ran that 14:57 leading for like 2k. If someone else led, I think she’d have finished up with the Lexy Halliday and Kosgei in 14:53. Would be insane if she made the team as a HSer, but she ran that 14:57 (1167pts) in April, took 6 weeks to train, then broke the mile/2mile records within a 4 day span. Also of note, her 1500 split was worth more points than her mile and 5k times (1168 to 1167 and 1167), and was just off Mary Cain’s record. And she did it to win a HS race on her own after 800. Absolutely nuts because I think everyone assumed the 5k was her best event. And then 4 days later, completely solo negative split (4:41/4:36) a 9:17 2 mile that broke the 2k/3k/3200/2mile records all at once. Oh, and for a WA score of 1176, meaning she’s better as distance increases, and she’s in much better shape than in April.
It’s definitely too soon to bet Jane will make the team. She could completely burn out after such a long year (her first race was August 17th, 2024, and the US 5k final is August 3rd, 2025), but after NXN, she took 2 months off, only ran 3 meets (5 races) indoors. Then besides Arcadia, she basically ran everything as a workout including state (honestly her 1 day 2:08/4:56/9:48 2nd/1st/1st state triple was probably easier than her normal workouts) until she did her mile/2mile records. She’s not doing a ton of racing, so maybe in the 6 weeks we have till USAs, she’ll get even better. Her 2 mile was worth an 14:53ish 5k and she negative split it leading the entire thing. Almost certainly she’s already in 4:01/14:45 shape.
Didnt mean for this to turn into a Hedengren post, just wanted to defend her being a dark horse for the team. I like her making the team over Touhy, but after looking at the competition, them going 4-5 or even one sneaking onto the team wouldn’t surprise me, especially if Valby is hurt.
Hedengren is faster than Tuohy while being 4 1/2 years younger. That means she will improve faster than Tuohy and therefore has a greater chance to qualify than Tuohy.
Read the first page then gave up. 15:04 mostly solo mid-training block and presumably 6 weeks off of a peak is a great result. Would not be at all surprised by 14:5x low at nats.
People can drop a lot more time...depends on how much you train through an initial race
I've seen multiple people run a mile and then run 3k roughly 5 seconds per mile slower a month later - just need to get sharp. Also saw someone run a couple of 2:00 800s before running a sub 3:50 1500, but I think he used the race as a 1500-pace workout
You really get off on trolling, don’t you? That a sad and pathetic way to be but I guess haters are gonna hate.
When Valby regains fitness, she is probably capable of running 14:45 while Tuohy has yet to break 15:00. There have been many posters that are bearish about how much she can improve from her 15:04 so I don’t see why I’m a hater. My comments are based on my assessments of the trajectories of their careers and it’s nothing personal.
I love my wife. She runs about 18 minutes even though she has been training and racing for 15 years. She watches pro races and gets fired up with goals to break 16 minutes. I know that she won't come close but I still love her. You dont have to hate someone to have an opinion about their ability.
Both her and Valby shoulda been targeting Word XC this fall / winter. They're young and should be chasing competition / high level racing experience instead of PRs and qualifiers. I think that's a big problem with the sport the last several years. But I'm just a guy with an office job so what do I know :)
There’s no reason for them not to run World XC, but they’re likely to be mid-packers and won’t gain valuable experience from running it.