Hocker 3:27? Fisher 7:22? Nico 12:45? Is this a systematic program?
That would mean H.S. and college athletes are doping too. As well as the Brits Norwegians Germans and Australians
They are...... and why wouldnt they? Hello ! its the only way to compete with east africans. As for high school and college athletes,of course theyre juicing. The usa sports system does that.
Kenya was about a half-minute behind the leaders, but still placed 6 runners in the top-60.
That doesn't sound dominant to me.
True. The guy doesn’t understand clustering or standard deviations. The Africans tend to cluster ability-wise and the Euros tend to have a wider SD in ability. Think about what tossing drugs into a clustered group of high responders would do.
The thread is hilariously revealing. Armstronglivs is even more jealous of American runners doing well than he is of any success by the hated Jakob. A petty, jealous, wicked old coot who when not bitching and moaning on this board is being knocked around by fed up Maori orderlies at the nut-farm.
You can't read. It was nothing about threshold training being new.
It was the assumption that a form of training that has long been practiced in the sport is now suddenly making all the difference with American runners. That is rubbish, of course.
A lot of them are probably on an EPO/nandrolone mix,or some new cocktail.Some might also take testosterone in low doses.Even if they get popped,they wont get banned,and nobody will know about it.
That would mean H.S. and college athletes are doping too. As well as the Brits Norwegians Germans and Australians
They are...... and why wouldnt they? Hello ! its the only way to compete with east africans. As for high school and college athletes,of course theyre juicing. The usa sports system does that.
oh well,theres nothing any of us can do about it.If they end up with health problems later on,they'll have done it to themselves. I dont blame the athletes. Theyre probably under a lot of pressure to use drugs,so they have little or no choice in the matter.
a) The gap between US and EA keeps decreasing; US keeps getting faster at a much faster rate.
b) The shoes help the lighter athletes more. So the shoes cannot be the reason.
Pointing out that the Africans don't slow down doesn't address any of these points. Reminding people that testing in Africa has increased does - they have to decrease their doping, or risk losing their eligibility and fast times. See Koech, Kandie, Kipruto, A. Kiptum etc. etc.: those world record setters can't compete atm and have in part lost their WR.
I do. Do you? I didn't attempt to address any of these points, but I was responding to "Coevett" asking him to explain how "it's even more obvious the impact that better testing has had on East African times", when there is no obvious impact on East African times.
I didn't just point out that "the Africans don't slow down". In fact, if anything, in the 5000m, more East Africans are getting faster.
Well it seems their point is that the Kenyans should have been getting faster like the Americans - or even more so because oft the larger super shoe effect. Fact: they didn't; they either stagnated or even slowed down despite all the technical advances since 25 years.
You noticed yourself that the top Kenyan 5000 m time is from the 90s! So at best, no improvement despite super tracks and super spikes after EPO test / ABP / targeting of the Kenyans by the AIU. During the same time period, the AR improved by 14 seconds.
But it doesn't stop at number 1. Here are the stats for the top 3: Top 3 averages 80s: KEN 13:07 : USA 13:09 - small 2 s lead for Kenya 90s: KEN 12:48 : USA 13:08 - 20 s (!) lead for Kenya 00s: KEN 12:48 : USA 12:58 - smaller 10 s lead for Kenya 10s: KEN 12:49 : USA 12:56 - down to 7 s lead for Kenya 20s: KEN 12:49 : USA 12:46 - small 3 s lead for USA!
Hard to blame coincidence for such a clear trend (i.e., improving Americans v stagnating Kenyans). Would be cool to see what would happen if the AIU would start targeting the Americans.
Wasn't I saying that for the longest time since Paris 2024 huh folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What were you all listening to or reading about huh??????????
I was the pioneer of it all alright!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm always first to everything that concerns hunches and pre-motive, the gray area between metaphysics and physics you feelin me????? That's what I bind effortlessly and shed light on truth!!!!!!!!!
How can anybody doubt it's a systematic doping program goshhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't believe it.....
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In music, the notes are not new, and have existed for centuries, if not millennia, and yet we are still finding new ways to combine them and make new music.
Combining them in new ways isn't improving on what Bach, Beethoven and Mozart achieved centuries ago - merely producing different music. Your analogy works against you.
These Western notes had existed for centuries/millenia before Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart composed their symphonies, with roots and concepts originating as far back as Pythagoras, around 500 B.C. That was a 2000 year evolution.
Not everyone likes classical music. Some might say Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, or Michael Jackson's Thriller were improvements. It's not so easy to measure improvement in music as it is using a stopwatch at the track.
Since you need things dumbed down for you, it hardly matters that "threshold" training has existed for a long time, if it is being used in ways that differ from before, over the span of a week, or a span of 6 months, or a span of 6 years. Lydiard invented no new training, but conquered the world with club runners, combining them in a new way. Do you think it was the new psychodelic drugs of the '60s and '70s? Lydiard's LSD?
I do. Do you? I didn't attempt to address any of these points, but I was responding to "Coevett" asking him to explain how "it's even more obvious the impact that better testing has had on East African times", when there is no obvious impact on East African times.
I didn't just point out that "the Africans don't slow down". In fact, if anything, in the 5000m, more East Africans are getting faster.
Well it seems their point is that the Kenyans should have been getting faster like the Americans - or even more so because oft the larger super shoe effect. Fact: they didn't; they either stagnated or even slowed down despite all the technical advances since 25 years.
You noticed yourself that the top Kenyan 5000 m time is from the 90s! So at best, no improvement despite super tracks and super spikes after EPO test / ABP / targeting of the Kenyans by the AIU. During the same time period, the AR improved by 14 seconds.
But it doesn't stop at number 1. Here are the stats for the top 3: Top 3 averages 80s: KEN 13:07 : USA 13:09 - small 2 s lead for Kenya 90s: KEN 12:48 : USA 13:08 - 20 s (!) lead for Kenya 00s: KEN 12:48 : USA 12:58 - smaller 10 s lead for Kenya 10s: KEN 12:49 : USA 12:56 - down to 7 s lead for Kenya 20s: KEN 12:49 : USA 12:46 - small 3 s lead for USA!
Hard to blame coincidence for such a clear trend (i.e., improving Americans v stagnating Kenyans). Would be cool to see what would happen if the AIU would start targeting the Americans.
So "obvious impact on times" means lack of expected improvement on times, leading to a net no impact? I think I'd like Coevett to clarify what his point is, rather than you second guessing it, when the lack of impact is the only thing that is obvious.
Word on the street is that there is a new drug lurking around the Western Hemisphere. It’s called Æther-9 (A9). Apparently it’s derived from the secret fermentation of Himalayan stardust and trace elements from Martian meteorites. An expert in the field told me that A9 consists of nanoscale protein known as "shadow ligands" that temporarily bind to mitochondrial oxygen sensors. This tricks the body into thinking it’s suffocating, even at sea level. The response? An instant upregulation of mitochondrial biogenesis and erythroblast hyperactivity, all without involving EPO receptors. Apparently it operates in a semi-phased molecular state, which means its active components only stabilize when blood lactate crosses a certain threshold (measured in Spectro-Volts rather than normal units). Once activated, the body enters a state athletes describe as "oxygenated nirvana." Unlike regular EPO, Æther-9 self-deconstructs into harmless, naturally occurring amino acids and metaphysical residue within 6 minutes of activation. This leaves zero chemical trace in blood, urine, or even hair samples. WADA labs just see a slightly elevated serotonin spike and chalk it up to good vibes.
He said there are some INSANE side effects including:
Hearing the thoughts of your mitochondria or Feeling “too powerful” or Seeing your VO₂ max in binary and Speaking only in training montages
Disclaimer: if you thought any of this was real, seek help.