The only thing that matters is that he is fit for the London DL as I already have tickets and I have still never seen Jakob run a 1500 live
I was going to buy tickets for Ostrava, but I'm glad I didn't now. I do think there's a chance that Max Burgin will show up and do something special, but otherwise, I'm not going all the way over there just to see Femke Bol in the flesh.
No. Do whatever he can to get through this season and then he needs to have surgery immediately after the season is over. Once my achilles started hurting, it kept hurting until I had it operated on.
But the guy who did my Achilles has helped Jakob with his. And he doesn't do surgery lightly. He wouldn't operate on mine unless I'd take 3 months totally off to try to heal it first.
So he'll get good advice. But if there is a chance this comes back, I'd just operate. Next year is the year you want to miss. He doesn't want this being an issue for years like it was with Chris Derrick.
Roberto pump the brakes kemosabe. Surgery? That might be a little drastic.
In most cases surgery on an achilles is only necessary and really necessary if someone does an Aaron Rodgers/Klay Thompson/Kevin Durant/Kyrie Irving/Jayson Tatum and tears the attachment/snaps it completely.
Jakob could just be dealing with chronic and local inflammation which is obviously very common with runners because the cause of it is almost always super tight Gastro/Soleus muscles which have then been compensated for which in turn localizes all stress on that little tendon and more critically the sheath that surrounds it. And given he's probably upped his threshold work volume because he was looking at the 5000m, it's not that difficult to understand how his body might have struggled to perfectly adjust - especially at his level.
But surgery is for old guys - he should only be going under a knife if there was a danger that thing was going to snap itself in half which for a middle distance runner that doesn't really exercise a lot of explosive movements or forces (he might be the worlds slowest starter :D), shouldn't really happen.
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What is really interesting me there is that bottom right graph - the age curve of sub 13's by age. Because I would make a strong guess/hypothesis that this distribution would also correlate very closely with when athletes set their PR's. You can clearly see that the sweet spot are ages 21-25. You can still run well at 20 and 26/27, but the drop off really starts happening at 26.
When you map this against the ages of the last 5 WR holders it holds up - (not counting multiple record breaking by the same athlete)
Cheptegei - 23
Bekele - 21
Geb - 25
Komen - 21
Kiptanui - 24
Of course there are outliers - Aouita was 28 when he set the WR at 12.58, but this time doesn't really hold up that well now with the record way under 12.40, and of course there is Gebrhiwet at age 30 (^^, yeah), but of the top 10 fastest performers ever, only him and Kejelcha (age 26) are not in that 21-25 career "sweet" spot.
Lagat ran 12:58 at 38. Very impressed by that performance.
I also think western-raised athletes tend to peak a bit later - Fisher ran the indoor WR at 27
Lagat ran 12:58 at 38. Very impressed by that performance.
I also think western-raised athletes tend to peak a bit later - Fisher ran the indoor WR at 27
12.58 at 38 is incredible. But 12.58 isn't sub 12.40, let alone sub 12.35
Maybe that's accurate re Western Athletes - it could also be that the advent of wavelight and better footwear has actually just helped them achieve comparable performances in their older ages compared to what they achieved at younger ages. Point being, maybe Grant Fisher at age 23 with "superspikes" and wavelight had sub 12.40 potential that just wasn't realized.
But I get what you're saying.
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12.58 at 38 is incredible. But 12.58 isn't sub 12.40, let alone sub 12.35
Maybe that's accurate re Western Athletes - it could also be that the advent of wavelight and better footwear has actually just helped them achieve comparable performances in their older ages compared to what they achieved at younger ages. Point being, maybe Grant Fisher at age 23 with "superspikes" and wavelight had sub 12.40 potential that just wasn't realized.
But I get what you're saying.
I think Grant Fisher's is a little easier to explain. Whether you believe their listed ages or not, many Africans are training very seriously from when they are 17-18. It's pretty unique (though not unheard of) when we hear of someone like Brian Komen (break from running for academics) or Sabastian Sawe (waited until 22-23 to train seriously). More common is Jacob Kiplimo or Selemon Barega who were training with the big boys in their mid- to late- teens (if you're skeptical about the exact ages).
Contrast that with Grant, who we heard Milt was holding pretty severely back in training, and was in a grueling college major. It does seem these stories are getting increasingly uncommon because coaches (including Milt) are feeling emboldened as guys can handle more serious training due to improved shoe tech. Not sure how many sub-13 guys will see any more who don't break 13:10 in college. That seems like a bygone era.
Kenyan runners are usually 5-7 years older than their official age. So you can confidently add at least a couple of years to any Kenyan runner. At The least..
Kenyan runners are usually 5-7 years older than their official age. So you can confidently add at least a couple of years to any Kenyan runner. At The least..
I don’t think this is true for 95% of Kenyans and nowadays it is easier to parse, especially if they go to primary school. They finish that up around 18-19. If they’re listed as 15-17 and out of school it is pretty suspect and they might be 2-3 years older. 5-7 though? A few extreme examples maybe but I don’t think that is typically the case and doesn’t make economic sense in many cases (why would a 28-year-old Kenyan not be running for money in their early 20s?).
The only thing that matters is that he is fit for the London DL as I already have tickets and I have still never seen Jakob run a 1500 live
I was going to buy tickets for Ostrava, but I'm glad I didn't now. I do think there's a chance that Max Burgin will show up and do something special, but otherwise, I'm not going all the way over there just to see Femke Bol in the flesh.
What do you mean? You were going to buy tickets for Jakob but not for Femke?
The father of the Norwegian track and field superstar Jakob Ingebrigtsen should go to prison for two and a half years for ‘a regime of repeated abuse’ that spanned a decade, prosecutors have told a court in Norway
I suspect that this injury is not nearly as severe as the one that knocked out his winter last year. Jakob can be daring and foolhardy, but he is not an idiot. He will have gained a lot of experience on dealing with injury, and I'm guessing he's being very proactive this time around.
I think it's most likely that he felt a bit of pain and decided to take some time off and get aggressive with rehab, which pushes his season opener back by a few weeks.
Either way, I hope he recovers soon. it would be a shame to waste such a successful winter of training.
Jakob just shared a YouTube video with the pertinent details. As I suspected, he is being precautious and taking time off early so the injury doesn’t prove a bigger problem. He has indicated that he expects to still be racing later in the season.
