Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
Make up your mind, either he is falling in his main event as you call it and he is better the longer the distance or he isn't. Are you saying that you think his 1500 performance is better than olympic gold and 2x wc gold?
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
Make up your mind, either he is falling in his main event as you call it and he is better the longer the distance or he isn't. Are you saying that you think his 1500 performance is better than olympic gold and 2x wc gold?
Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
Make up your mind, either he is falling in his main event as you call it and he is better the longer the distance or he isn't. Are you saying that you think his 1500 performance is better than olympic gold and 2x wc gold?
Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
Maybe he is as updated on the 5000 fastest times list as he is on the 3000 one. Jakob have beaten more or less every runner faster than him on that list (that is still active).
Or Its just happen so that in 5000 only PR's count, while in 1500 only medals count*.
*and they have to be gold medals, Jakobs olympic gold not included.
To those who laughed at Armstrong's comment on "Kerr being modest", he's right. Kerr is modest. When Kerr said he's the best championship runner, he's just being confident. But confidence doesn't mean arrogance. To stay st the top of the top, you gotta believe you're the best. More importantly, he's indeed the best 1500m championship runner alongside Hocker and has spanked Jakob two championships in a row already.
Jakob stated he's gonna be the greatest distance runner of all time, now that's truly arrogance, and showed a complete lack of self-awareness. He couldn't even break 60 mins in the half marathon, in fact it's slower than Kerr's pb by almost two minutes, meaning he would've got lapped, had the HM been run on the track. On the other hand, he also failed to even medal in his favourite event. He may one day break the 1500m WR, but that would only be because he's got the new shoes and silly light doing the pacing for him, and comes championship, he will always get destroyed by the like of Hocker and Kerr, and perhaps Myer and Ruthe in 2028. (they may get the WR as well, especially Hocker) He would also never be as dominant as Mo farah in the 5k/10k, whose double-double will be far beyond his grasp, never mind the marathon. Yet he still laughably claimed he would be without question the best distance runner in the world. That's arrogant, and downright insulting to the greats who have the achievements to back it up.
Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
Maybe he is as updated on the 5000 fastest times list as he is on the 3000 one. Jakob have beaten more or less every runner faster than him on that list (that is still active).
Or Its just happen so that in 5000 only PR's count, while in 1500 only medals count*.
*and they have to be gold medals, Jakobs olympic gold not included.
Something tells me he doesn't even know what El G's PB in the 5000 is, just like how he didn't know what Mo Farahs 5000 PB was.
It isn't the only metric - I didn't say that. But the fact - shown by his times - that he gets slower the longer the distance disproves your claim that he gets better. That is quite apart from the fact that he has a significantly flawed competitive record over his main distance, the 1500.
Being able to win the worlds and Olympics finals without having to put in all out efforts compared to the 1500, where he loses despite putting in all out efforts, because his tactics in the 5000 are better than in the 1500 sure sounds to me that he's better in the 5000. The word you're looking for is faster, not better.
So in Jakob's case getting better doesn't mean getting faster. Got it.
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He does if he is to prove the claim that he is one of the greats if not the all time greatest runner over that distance - which is one of his stated ambitions. He says he wants all the wrs up to the marathon.
El G is the better 5k runner than Ingebrigtsen because after only just turning to the 5k late in his career he defeated the greatest in history, Bekele, in an Olympic final after winning the 1500. Ingebrigtsen will never match that. Bekele was of course far better than Ingebrigtsen over the distance and Cheptegei remains much faster.
Sounds more like it reflects badly on Bekele if a slower 5000 runner than Jakob could beat him in a final.
You mean a greater runner than Jakob. Ingebrigtsen would have been beaten by both.
Make up your mind, either he is falling in his main event as you call it and he is better the longer the distance or he isn't. Are you saying that you think his 1500 performance is better than olympic gold and 2x wc gold?
Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
You obviously don't follow the sport with any perception. El G's performances in Athens far outstrip anything Ingebrigtsen has done. He would have been buried in the Athens 5k by all 3 medallists. They all finished faster than he could have.
Jakob doesn't get better the longer the distance. Longer than 2 miles he becomes slower. He has yet to run any kind of fast time over 5k and is only good in a slow race. He doesn't even figure in the 10k and can barely finish a HM.
Make up your mind, either he is falling in his main event as you call it and he is better the longer the distance or he isn't. Are you saying that you think his 1500 performance is better than olympic gold and 2x wc gold?
I am saying he regularly fails in the 1500 at championship level but he still gets slower in any distance over 2 miles. He can only win a slow 5k.
To those who laughed at Armstrong's comment on "Kerr being modest", he's right. Kerr is modest. When Kerr said he's the best championship runner, he's just being confident. But confidence doesn't mean arrogance. To stay st the top of the top, you gotta believe you're the best. More importantly, he's indeed the best 1500m championship runner alongside Hocker and has spanked Jakob two championships in a row already.
Jakob stated he's gonna be the greatest distance runner of all time, now that's truly arrogance, and showed a complete lack of self-awareness. He couldn't even break 60 mins in the half marathon, in fact it's slower than Kerr's pb by almost two minutes, meaning he would've got lapped, had the HM been run on the track. On the other hand, he also failed to even medal in his favourite event. He may one day break the 1500m WR, but that would only be because he's got the new shoes and silly light doing the pacing for him, and comes championship, he will always get destroyed by the like of Hocker and Kerr, and perhaps Myer and Ruthe in 2028. (they may get the WR as well, especially Hocker) He would also never be as dominant as Mo farah in the 5k/10k, whose double-double will be far beyond his grasp, never mind the marathon. Yet he still laughably claimed he would be without question the best distance runner in the world. That's arrogant, and downright insulting to the greats who have the achievements to back it up.
Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
You obviously don't follow the sport with any perception.
You obviously don't follow the sport with any perception.
"Aregawi is not a 3,000m runner."
"Kerr has the potential to break the world record in the 5000 because I assumed that someone who has never ran a championship 5000 in his life wasn't trying to run as fast as he could when he set his PB"
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Considering he thinks El G is better than Jakob in the 5000 just because El G beat Bekele in the Olympics, I'm starting to get worried for his mental well being.
Strange how Bekele losing to a slower 5000 runner than Jakob doesn't count against Armys claim that you can't lose any global finals to be the greatest ever, or how El G is better than Jakob for beating the current world record holder in a global final, but that doesn't apply to when Jakob beats Cheptegei in global finals.
You obviously don't follow the sport with any perception. El G's performances in Athens far outstrip anything Ingebrigtsen has done. He would have been buried in the Athens 5k by all 3 medallists. They all finished faster than he could have.
This is a strange claim. In Paris Jakob ran ~53.4 after a 57s penultimate lap and maybe he could have run faster if he had his competitors right by him. In Athens the penultimate lap was 61.7 and El G ran the last lap ~52,8. Also before the penultimate lap they ran quite slow 63.5 laps whereas in Paris there was 61s laps.
If we compare these performances side by side Jakob would outrun Kipchoge and between him and El G it would be a toss up.
Jakob has good finishing speed. In Budapest he casually ran 52 low last lap in a 3:35 1500m
You mean a greater runner than Jakob. Ingebrigtsen would have been beaten by both.
Why would a slower runner than Jakob beat him in the 5000 if the current world record holder gets embarrassed every time he faces Jakob?
You mean the way Jakob gets embarrassed when he faces Kerr or Hocker or Nuguse or Whiteman? So how many times in the last 3 years has Cheptegei faced Ingebrigtsen over 5k? It doesn't seem to have enabled Ingebrigtsen to run the event any faster in those 3 years. Still a hundred metres slower than Cheptegei over that distance. And how is Ingebrigtsen doing over the 10k? I don't recall him running that at Paris. (His fastest time suggests he would have been lapped.)
The Athens 5k was a great race. Ingebrigtsen would have been buried in that final.
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"Kerr has the potential to break the world record in the 5000 because I assumed that someone who has never ran a championship 5000 in his life wasn't trying to run as fast as he could when he set his PB"
So Kerr has just as good a chance as Ingebrigtsen because, like Ingebrigtsen, he never tried to run fast over 5k. Since he has a better finish than Ingebrigtsen he will beat him - again - if they meet.
You obviously don't follow the sport with any perception. El G's performances in Athens far outstrip anything Ingebrigtsen has done. He would have been buried in the Athens 5k by all 3 medallists. They all finished faster than he could have.
This is a strange claim. In Paris Jakob ran ~53.4 after a 57s penultimate lap and maybe he could have run faster if he had his competitors right by him. In Athens the penultimate lap was 61.7 and El G ran the last lap ~52,8. Also before the penultimate lap they ran quite slow 63.5 laps whereas in Paris there was 61s laps.
If we compare these performances side by side Jakob would outrun Kipchoge and between him and El G it would be a toss up.
Jakob has good finishing speed. In Budapest he casually ran 52 low last lap in a 3:35 1500m
Bekele had a better sprint than Jakob. If they were in the last lap together then Bekele would win. El G is simply better than Ingebrigtsen all round and his sustained drive is better than Ingebrigtsen's. He would have more at the finish, as he showed in Athens. In 2004 Kipchoge was good enough to beat the best, as he had proven the previous year. If Ingebrigtsen had been in the Athens race it would have been the Paris 1500 all over again - 4th for the Norwegian.
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