Timwdyg wrote:
Am 100% in favor of the arrest of the professional out of town Soros “ rent-a-raghead” thugs infesting our campus and country.
first, this stuff happened nearly 2 years ago. so can we quit with the cryptic nonsense and lay all cards on the table? what are they saying he did. unless it's "classified" -- in which case dude would probably be on material support of terror charges -- this is about something that happened back in 2022 or early 2023. if you're gonna kick someone out of the country, there should be specifics. his attorneys say those specifics weren't about leaflets. at least so far.
so what is it about, then?
you can spell that out. we can decide if that's bad enough to deport someone. this isn't difficult.
second, the specifics matter. pro-palestine should be fine. expressing support, fair or unfair, for the elected government of palestine (hamas) has to be fine. saying israelis should be tossed in the sea or october 7 was ok -- after october 7 happened and americans were killed or made hostages -- then we can talk. so, circling back to (1), "what is this about, then?"
third, are we going to then follow through and punt every IRA sympathizer green card holder and whatnot -- or is this a "one time principle?" in which case let's discuss free speech and regime punishment. whether you get to stay or go should not depend on if the leader likes you or your ideas. when leaders change.
this should be more about a consistent red line. that red line would be it's not ok to back terrorists who have killed or threatened americans.
where i sit on this is ironic because i am generally free speech and neutral on this conflict, because i think both sides handle themselves badly and perpetuate stuff. i just think folks here on a visa or green card should not back terror groups who have threatened or hurt americans. it's a basic loyalty thing.
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism. This guy isn't even a citizen so we should be able to do whatever we want to him. In my opinion you should be procsectued for speaking such harmful language however deportation of these "people" is good enough for now. Biden shouldve done better in his term
one reason i want specifics, up front, is right now with DOGE and such, the attitude of the day is kind of ignore the rules and what they require, smash stuff, and then go looking through the rubble for an excuse after you've done what you wanted for emotional reasons. you wanted USAID and DofE gone, so it's smashed. only after the fact do you throw around some excuses why. which are often wrong.
so is this more like that? or can you explain why this is happening other than he got wrong side of El Jefe? because he's not king and there are rules for these things. you're even mentioning one. so how did he break it? if it's for public stuff on campus you shouldn't need to be so coy.
last, it has to be foreign policy consequences for the US. not consequences in general. not for israel. that to me means support for terror against israelis and americans. saying october 7 was ok. that sort of thing. that's consequences for americans.
otherwise these events happened 2 years ago and the "foreign policy consequences" are actually known. the homeland wasn't attacked. the dude lost a political debate. we supported israel who clobbered the horse he backed.
so, did he support terrorism or not? back to my red line. get away from the inconsistent, "i won an election so i can punish who i want like a king" crap. what. did. he. do.
IsrealBEST wrote:
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism. This guy isn't even a citizen so we should be able to do whatever we want to him. In my opinion you should be procsectued for speaking such harmful language however deportation of these "people" is good enough for now. Biden shouldve done better in his term
What harmful terrorist language did he speak?
IsrealBEST wrote:
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism. This guy isn't even a citizen so we should be able to do whatever we want to him. In my opinion you should be procsectued for speaking such harmful language however deportation of these "people" is good enough for now. Biden shouldve done better in his term
What would you do if you lived under illegal blockade your entire life and were not allowed to leave the Gaza Strip? It’s not terrorism to resist. You’re sitting in America calling these people terrorists because they won’t submit to their oppressors.
IsrealBEST wrote:
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism. This guy isn't even a citizen so we should be able to do whatever we want to him. In my opinion you should be procsectued for speaking such harmful language however deportation of these "people" is good enough for now. Biden shouldve done better in his term
Supporting Hamas is not the same as opposing the genocide of Palestinians.
Don't be stupid.
Hamas is the Palestinian government what are you talking about LOOL
US Proxy Dictator Mileiowsky isn't a Zemite. he's Polish & Turkish.
IsrealBEST wrote:
You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism.
No it’s not, we rolled out the red carpet for Bibi recently and he once supported Hamas more than anyone.
IsrealBEST wrote:
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization.
How did that happen? Who was behind naming them terrorists -- while failing to name the far more terrorist state of Israel as a state sponsor of terrorism?
US need to get the Albatross of Israel off our back
Do I support Hamas? No do I agree with people who "sympathies with Hamas": no
Do I think arresting people because of their sympathies they say when following the 1st amendment is ok: hell no!
If there is actual evidence of direct support of Hamas militants would I be ok with the arrest: yes
If the above was true should ICE be the one making the arrest: hell no!
This very much seems like cold war era anything Communist even with no ties to USSR is bad and we must arrest sympathisers of an idea.
Actions are an offense. Words are a right.
IsrealBEST wrote:
Let's be real here guys. You are all missing the obvious point that Hamas is a terroist organization. It is illegal to support terrorism. This guy isn't even a citizen so we should be able to do whatever we want to him. In my opinion you should be procsectued for speaking such harmful language however deportation of these "people" is good enough for now. Biden shouldve done better in his term
Let's be real here guys. Don't fall for this type of rhetoric.
There's a reason why the ACLU defended the KKK...
Free speech is a CORE tenet of American values. AMERICAN (not Israeli) values remember those? American free speech laws imperative to our society.
let's be real here about Israel.
Israel is an apartheid state, where a large swath of population (palestinians) lives under barbaric military law. Just now, Israel is denying electricity, food and water to Palestinians in Gaza for the 10th day. Palestinians will likely stave to death in droves. The hostages will too. This is not a tactic. it is a war crime.
So let's be real here. If we aren't picking teams, Israel is coming across as the bad guy a lot more than the US government will concede. They are scared now because that is becoming clearer. Calling something a 'terrorist' doesn't carry as much weight when you watch your precious ally you'd do anything for commit genocide in your face...
The law according to which this green card holder is being deemed deportable dates back to 1952 and was promulgated to remove non-citizen "communist sympathizers", many of whom were Jewish holocaust refugees (ironically) from the country. It has rarely been used since that time, which ought to tell you something about its probability of passing constitutional muster in "normal" times.
People need to stop suggesting that this guy is being deported for having committed a crime. Both the President and the Sec. of State has said that this is not the case. The claim is that his presence in the country is a threat to "US foreign policy aims".
Even if you hate this guy and don't care if he's deported, consider what an incredibly dangerous precedent his deportation would establish. To take just a couple of pertinent examples, if US foreign policy takes a hard tilt in favor of Russian versus Ukraine, will it be ok to start deporting non-citizens simply for vocally opposing this policy, and reminding people that President Putin is wanted for war crimes committed against Ukraine? Or what about when some future American regime backs a two state solution for Israel Palestine? Will it be ok to start deporting opponents of this policy who claim that Israel has been a victim of terrorism? There is literally no end to how far this could go in undermining the practical meaning of the First Amendment in relation to US foreign policy. And, sorry, but everyone on American soil, citizen or not, is protected by the US constitution.