BAN International Athletes at colleges?

4:45 milers are getting money?

There are lots of foreign basketballers in the NCAA.

A few will be lottery picks this June.

Umm... ever heard of Zach Edey?

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To address the multiple posters who said only runners whine about this topic: the families of American junior tennis players whine just as much, and RIGHTFULLY SO. It is utterly ridiculous that the majority of US college tennis spots go to foreigners. Why should we fund the plan B for the world's failed pros?

The best take comes from Wayne Bryan, father of the Bryan brothers, the best doubles team in world history. Both his sons got full rides to Stanford, so he is absolutely the opposite of a sour grapes whiner crying that his family missed out--he just sees the situation clearly. ***He says limit schools to 1-2 foreigners. *** That way you get any potential upsides: better competition, diverse perspectives, global friendships, goodwill with the foreign nation, etc. without excessively punishing the homegrown talent.

The facts: in D1 men's tennis there are only 8-10 roster spots. A recent analysis showed almost 60% of those slots go to foreigners, and for "starters" aka top 6, it's closer to 70% foreigners!

This is absolutely having a deleterious effect on the grassroots--tennis is a very expensive sport, and if there is little chance of the "elite" US kids playing in college, even compared to other sports, US families start to wonder if they should even bother.

Last year's college tennis "freshman of the year" was a 24yo failed pro from France named Timo Legout, playing for UT-Austin. Absurd.

Yes, tennis players complain. Though I think not typically on a running website.

Athletes will still have plenty of competition for development. Ethan Strand, Gary Martin, Blanks, Young, Wolfe, and all of our up-and-comers will still be there leading the pack. But yes, the likes of Peter Maru and Parvej Kahn will unfortunately have to shoot up their dope back at home instead snagging an All-American spot.

Ok well good, we don't actually disagree then. If it is between an 8:55-9:05 18 year old high schooler and a 13:30 28 year old Kenyan you say choose the high schooler? I hope you will help in passing this legislation.

And yes I do personally know guys of around those times who have been cut from D1 squads. I'm not going to name names for their own privacy and mine but all of the information is publicly available online.

Our universities have loads of American students, many on scholarships.

I do think the NCAA has developed some great talent with so many well known athletes going through and having great careers like Josh Kerr, or even those who stay and eventually run for the USA. But the older C grade group aren’t part of this, they’re not developing at all just failed pros and they should have an age limit or something to prevent that.

Except that they won't because this whole thread, as well as the multitude of similar ones that turn up here, are just people venting. Foreign athletes in the NCAA aren't going anywhere. And yes, I think that's a good thing. The history of US college track would be a lot poorer without Henry Rono, Sydney Maree, Nick Rose, Neil Cusack, Ron Delany, and many others. But I don't care if others disagree. I just wish the people complaining would come up with some other argument than the bit about taxpayer money going to scholarships to foreign athletes.

Well the final decision will not be up to you, me, or anyone else on this thread, but the majority of voters in our states, most of whom are not familiar with the history of collegiate track and field. Much more radical bills than this have passed state legislatures, so I would not be so quick to rule it out as impossible.

I do believe that to them, my arguments of keeping our tax money here and sending our own children to college with it will be convincing. Invoking obscure running history from the 20th century to advocate for the opposite, as interesting as it might be to you and I, will prove less convincing I feel.

You are correct in saying lots of venting over this issue recently. And we all know why. Recruiting highly experienced semi-pro runners in their mid to late 20s to compete as freshman has a mercenary feel to it and fails the basic fairness test.

NCAA T&F and XC seems to be gaining in popularity, but a good chunk of casual watchers are going to tune out if this farce continues. It's like a watching a veteran heavyweight beat the hell out of an amateur bantamweight.

Limit the amount to foreign students. Americans are paying for those scholarships, they should go to Americans.

I realize he asked a question and you answered it but it’s sad to see conservatives now destroying these things.

Some, sure, but I don't hear whining about them taking spots from American athletes. If they are better they deserve the spot

Umm… you might want to look into the funding sources for collegiate athletics before you get your undies in a bunch. Or go investigate the condoms for Gaza. Or DEI air traffic controllers. Or any of the rest of the made up BS that is ruining America.

You didn't answer the questions about the Iowa state champion and whether he could get a scholarship somewhere else.

Also, let's pretend that taxes are paying for these scholarships. Because state universities are almost totally funded by the state's residents, do you think it's fair for an out of state athlete to get a scholarship in a different state?

I don't think that our hypothetical Iowa state champion should have to yield a scholarship in his home state to a foreigner. It should be the other way around. He could go somewhere else if he wants, but as has been mentioned multiple times on this thread often times staying in state can give you access to better academic scholarships among other benefits.

Furthermore, the people on the pro Kenyan side here seem to have no problem with allowing every university to become Kenya-U, so don't believe this question is being asked in good faith. If you had your way, he would have no university to go to anyway. Out-of state resident Americans till pay federal taxes, which along with state taxes make up a significant source of funding for public universities.

You, like others here, can continue to make the false claim the taxes due not fund athletic scholarships, but it is simply untrue: money is fungible, taxes make up about half of the funding for public universities (https://www.cbpp.org/research/a-lost-decade-in-higher-education-funding#states-have-only-partially-reversed-cbpp-anchor), therefore taxes fund these scholarships. You can say they are routed through the athletic department or whatever. This is no different than taking a dollar bill from your right pocket and putting it in your left. The athletic department is not solvent without the university and therefore without the tax money. You are all simply wrong about these basic economic realities. If you want to send your paycheck to Kenya feel free, but the rest of us would rather not.

Tennis and some other sports are almost completely foreign.