Yes. I don't know why anyone would think the offers are the same. And even though the Ivies will match each other's offers, very few kids are getting accepted to multiple schools because they can only apply early decision to one school.
By the time you are applying ed and commiting, you should have compared offers already. When you commit to ED, you should already have final deal agreed with coach.
Yes. I don't know why anyone would think the offers are the same. And even though the Ivies will match each other's offers, very few kids are getting accepted to multiple schools because they can only apply early decision to one school.
If we’re talking about recruits, the matching happens during the pre-read process. For other applicants, yes they need to be admitted to the relevant schools (but they can apply RD).
Yes. But the argument some are making is that all schools who meet 100% of need, use the same formula. That is untrue. Another point is that Ivies match one another but that is very rare because most students who get accepted applied ED.
I checked offers that family members have received. They list a line under Student Aid Index Titled Based on the FAFSA. Thise are the same. But the next section is titled Based on Institutiinal Methodology. Those are all.lesd than FAFSA and they differ by tens of thousands of dollars.
One way or another it still breaks out to Cost- EFC = need.
Then need breaks out to grants + loans + work/study(which can be 0).
If that's not how offer is presented, make a column where you force it to be. Just put in the FAFSA efc, and back calculate the rest.
Yes. But the argument some are making is that all schools who meet 100% of need, use the same formula. That is untrue. Another point is that Ivies match one another but that is very rare because most students who get accepted applied ED.
No. You define 100% need as cost - FAFSA efc. Any change school makes to efc is just their way of hiding that they want you to take more loan (or pay).
I checked offers that family members have received. They list a line under Student Aid Index Titled Based on the FAFSA. Thise are the same. But the next section is titled Based on Institutiinal Methodology. Those are all.lesd than FAFSA and they differ by tens of thousands of dollars.
One way or another it still breaks out to Cost- EFC = need.
Then need breaks out to grants + loans + work/study(which can be 0).
If that's not how offer is presented, make a column where you force it to be. Just put in the FAFSA efc, and back calculate the rest.
You’re confused about the role FAFSA plays. It is used to determine federal aid and loan eligibility. Schools use income and asset data from all forms, not just FAFSA. Those data are plugged into each school’s formula to calculate need. This is not the same as the FAFSA efc, which is calculated using unique rules. Schools vary significantly in how they treat assets like home equity, divorced parents, etc.
More than 300 Ivy Leaguers have played in the NFL. Two Yalies were drafted by the league just in 2024. But priority recruits means recruits that are made a priority by coaches (at the Ivies), not the top recruits in the nation. As for stinginess, the Ivies don't want to pay players; they don't want to be competing on a dollar basis for recruits; and they don't want unionized players with a semblance of the bargaining power of collective entities with endowments in the tens of billions of dollars. Talented kids in the lower 50% of income rarely apply to Ivies because they don't go to the kind of schools where you are prepared to apply to them and told how to accumulate credentials and what to say on statements of purpose by people with a track record of getting students in. They don't have a clue, in other words, and historically Ivies haven't wanted to admit them anyway.
You are very misinformed. The Ivies take in many low income kids each year many through the Questbridge program. They actually has been putting priority on low income, first generation and minority students in effect taking spots from wealthy whites and asians. (This of course led to recent lawsuits)
Completely agree deck is stacked against low income kids who don't know about, or understand Ivy fin aid. Questbridge and other programs try to fix this.
Endowment and sports have nothing to do with each other. Why should a school be expected to share its endowment with athletes?
NCAA lawsuits are about share of sports revenue generated by college athletes, not paying them from endowment.
Endowment value is driven by time (and no wars). In 100 years Alabama, Michigan, Florida etc will have their own giant endowments generated from the seed money of football and basketball.
One way or another it still breaks out to Cost- EFC = need.
Then need breaks out to grants + loans + work/study(which can be 0).
If that's not how offer is presented, make a column where you force it to be. Just put in the FAFSA efc, and back calculate the rest.
You’re confused about the role FAFSA plays. It is used to determine federal aid and loan eligibility. Schools use income and asset data from all forms, not just FAFSA. Those data are plugged into each school’s formula to calculate need. This is not the same as the FAFSA efc, which is calculated using unique rules. Schools vary significantly in how they treat assets like home equity, divorced parents, etc.
I'm not confused. I am trying to give you a way to compare your offers on an apples to apples basis. The broadest definition of 100% aid is getting a grant for the full difference between the cost of attendance and your FAFSA efc. So start with that and compare all your offers to that even if the school changed what they see as your EFC from the FAFSA number.
Then you can say to school 'you claim to be covering 100% of my need, but if I use FAFSA efc as my startpoint you only cover 67% of my need. Look here, school z is covering 85% of my FAFSA based need. Ya think ya can match dat?
You’re confused about the role FAFSA plays. It is used to determine federal aid and loan eligibility. Schools use income and asset data from all forms, not just FAFSA. Those data are plugged into each school’s formula to calculate need. This is not the same as the FAFSA efc, which is calculated using unique rules. Schools vary significantly in how they treat assets like home equity, divorced parents, etc.
I'm not confused. I am trying to give you a way to compare your offers on an apples to apples basis. The broadest definition of 100% aid is getting a grant for the full difference between the cost of attendance and your FAFSA efc. So start with that and compare all your offers to that even if the school changed what they see as your EFC from the FAFSA number.
Then you can say to school 'you claim to be covering 100% of my need, but if I use FAFSA efc as my startpoint you only cover 67% of my need. Look here, school z is covering 85% of my FAFSA based need. Ya think ya can match dat?
None of the Ivies base expected family contribution on the FAFSA calculation. That is only used to determine Pell grant and subsidized loan eligibility.
They use their own formulas to determine expected contribution and some of those are more generous than the FAFSA efc. They aren’t all the same.
So you are quite literally comparing apples to oranges. An apples to apples comparison would just involve net cost at each institution. All this can be addressed during the pre read process but not in the way you suggest. The FAFSA is irrelevant. What they care about is what Princeton or Harvard will offer. Cornell will even match MIT or Stanford.
You picked a school that doesn't consider home equity. I just entered some quick info in Yale's NPC. $200K salary. $100K in savings. $500K in investments. $750K in home equity.
Yale price = $79,000.
Even you example is silly. Anyone who has that much saved in theor 401k, will have savings, stocks, mutual funds, etc in addition to their home and retirement savings. If they have $1M saved outside of retirement, that adds $50K yearly to the cost at Princeton.
Ivy schools match. So an athlete recruited at Princeton would get the same package at Yale or Cornell or…
Ivies don't match (at least they didn't in the early 2000s).
The key phrase is "based on recruiting interest". An elite runner is likely is only contacting one or two Ivies. They hit it off with one coach and never continue with the second. Another kid not quite elite blasts their info out to every elite academic school and receives interest from one Ivy. I am unaware of any distance runners who tried to get their offer increased by providing an offer from one Ivy to another.
She is as far as I can remember, the ONLY female Penn Track to qualify for NCAA outdoor nationals and US Olympic Trials as a freshman, She owns the long sprint records 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m records for Penn, qualified for NCAA nationals individually or on relays all 4 years, became a first team All-American in 400m & placed 6th at the olympic trials 2 weeks later leaving "professional" athletes as part of her body count! When was the last time that has been done by a University of Penn athlete? Based on what she has done she can and should have a voice without idiots judging her by calling her "smug". Penn was on a national spotlight last year. And without a doubt has helped with recruiting to continue to build the program not just on an Ivy level but a regional and national level. How many Ivy league athletes in track and field did that last year?
She is as far as I can remember, the ONLY female Penn Track to qualify for NCAA outdoor nationals and US Olympic Trials as a freshman, She owns the long sprint records 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m records for Penn, qualified for NCAA nationals individually or on relays all 4 years, became a first team All-American in 400m & placed 6th at the olympic trials 2 weeks later leaving "professional" athletes as part of her body count! When was the last time that has been done by a University of Penn athlete? Based on what she has done she can and should have a voice without idiots judging her by calling her "smug". Penn was on a national spotlight last year. And without a doubt has helped with recruiting to continue to build the program not just on an Ivy level but a regional and national level. How many Ivy league athletes in track and field did that last year?
She is as far as I can remember, the ONLY female Penn Track to qualify for NCAA outdoor nationals and US Olympic Trials as a freshman, She owns the long sprint records 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m records for Penn, qualified for NCAA nationals individually or on relays all 4 years, became a first team All-American in 400m & placed 6th at the olympic trials 2 weeks later leaving "professional" athletes as part of her body count! When was the last time that has been done by a University of Penn athlete? Based on what she has done she can and should have a voice without idiots judging her by calling her "smug". Penn was on a national spotlight last year. And without a doubt has helped with recruiting to continue to build the program not just on an Ivy level but a regional and national level. How many Ivy league athletes in track and field did that last year?
Thanks Bella!
Just Facts my friend....And I really doubt she or any collegiate athletes of any worth would even bother being on this TMZ station LOL let alone respond
kids that pick ivy league schools do so because of how lucrative it can be after you graduate, not how lucrative it is while you are there. This doesn't change anything.
Or … because they remember that a university is a place you go to learn? The settlement definitely changes a lot about that, unfortunately. The dumbing down will continue until your 40y time is the whole thing.
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