Congratulations to THOUGHTSLEADER the 2024 LetsRun.com Poster of the Year!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Here is an example of one of Thoughtsleaders posts:

''I think what has to be said about Katir is the goalposts moved. Everyone at the time said: “wait until his rocket fuel in 2021 (pre-AIU RTP etc.) wears off.” Well, the truth is the guy is now the same guy he was in 2021, and possibly better. So this is no longer rocket fuel, it would have to be the garden variety doping everyone is accused of. Which again is fine, the guy did improve a lot. There are better rationalizations for his improvement than Ramzi ever had. He DID come from a situation with low resources, and then was able to upgrade as far as coaching (in vogue threshold training), facilities (training same high altitude place as Jakob) and so on. This was not a guy who was given a huge amount of support until 2020-21. I personally don’t know if he’s doping or not, but he has outlasted what many thought would occur with him when he burst onto the scene.''

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jabouko wrote:

I'll always rock with Flo'da boy, THOUGHTSLEADER, and John Wesley Harding.

Peach Pit, Ok7272, high school xc coach, my 2 pennies and Kobbs Hessler are markers of a good thread too.

Shoutout cramister for NJ knowledge. And Aussiestatman for his long previews.

I've appreciated mictlantecuhtl, a new name this year.

Non-LRC folks-- I like seeing some elite voices in the high school ranks post here. Doug Soles, Timo Mostert, and of course the GOAT Bill Meylan of Tullyrunners.

I find that I post less over the years in general discussion, but boy do I love a live thread--and they're all the more better when the above cats are contributing.

And a lot of these guys contribute a ton of original knowledge and research. I think that's what I prefer now too -- throw in the useful stats, link to a spreadsheet. I'm here to enjoy the sport and provide stats for you fellow obsessives, not debate on endlessly (you know who I'm referring to here) :)

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Micro Expert wrote:

Actually, the opposite is true. The whole idea behind microdosing is that you never glow. Therefore a microdoser has no need to hide, ever.

Correct in theory.

I guess my Q would be of course how he managed to defy the system for over 2.5 seasons if he were hitting the drugs as hard as say Ramzi in this more test-heavy and surveillance-friendly era (ABP, OOC tests). We don't have transparency over missed tests, his ABP data, or if Spanish anti-doping shielded him (which I've seen alleged). That's kinda the problem with the system. If you miss a test, I've long proposed that you should then be forced to fund extra testing via fines and a punishment structure.

He didn't fade away and return to the supposed pre-doped level over the next two seasons where he got bronze/silver medals ran under 12:50 and 7:25. We don't know if that was through evading tests, microdosing, macrodosing, or just sheer luck. Maybe AIU officials can have the most informed POV on that, I wish we were privy to the info.

wejo wrote:

Not An Expert wrote:

Hey Wejo! Any chance we can get this leaderboard but averaged per post (probably with some minimum set for number of posts--52 would be one per week and that seems reasonable to me), so we can see the posters with the most net upvotes on a rate basis?

Also, can we get the same two tables for the top downvote-receivers (the raw net that you already posted, and the rate basis that I requested)?

1) I'll see if Erik can cook up something like a leaderboard per post. Or at least to let you see how you are doing yourself. like I have no idea how many upvotes or downvotes I get. I never really look at it on individual post and there is no way for me to see it unless I crack the top 10.

2) i'm not sure if we want to publicly shame the downvoters.

Downvotes doesn't mean you are terrible poster, it could just mean you post something unpopular or controversial.

Having said that I've wondered if we should have relegation (and go against our policy to deal with problematic posts rather than posters) and in the case of the worst poster of the year ban them.

Coevett wrote:

wejo wrote:

1) I'll see if Erik can cook up something like a leaderboard per post. Or at least to let you see how you are doing yourself. like I have no idea how many upvotes or downvotes I get. I never really look at it on individual post and there is no way for me to see it unless I crack the top 10.

2) i'm not sure if we want to publicly shame the downvoters.

Downvotes doesn't mean you are terrible poster, it could just mean you post something unpopular or controversial.

Having said that I've wondered if we should have relegation (and go against our policy to deal with problematic posts rather than posters) and in the case of the worst poster of the year ban them.

Why have my posts in this thread pointing out that Thoughtsleader is a consistent doping apologist, been deleted? Well I know why, because it says - "personal attacks of another forum member". So maybe my question should be - "why is there still no consistent moderation here?" Thoughtsleader can call me a doping 'extremist', a 'racist' and all the rest, contributing to the bullying and stalking I've faced here that has included multiple death threats, but I can't raise a concern about you awarding him a 'best poster' prize? Is it just because I also criticized John Wesley Harding for the same reason, and you've actually got him on your moderation team (which you and your brother appear to have no oversight for)?