Amber Trotter was pretty good. So how many times did Amber Trotter run the esteemed Woodward Park? That course should be a pretty good measuring stick, considering the thousands of runners that have run it.
Amber Trotter at Woodward Park
16:55
Sadie Engelhardt
16:24.
Melody Fairchild track times.
High school 2 mile 9:55
Ncaa champ in 3000 9:07.
Kids are faster now. The FL record will go soon too, probably not this year though.
Interesting on Hedengren is that during '24 spring track, and at Woodbridge xc she was even with the other current national leaders. (she even lost to Blade at Woodbridge)
Only starting with NXR sw, did she build a 45 second gap from the others.
Hedengren was sick in spring 2024 for Brooks PR and Nike. Hedengren was sick again for Woodbridge fall 2024. Once she finally got healthy is when she started running insanely fast.
Hedengren (16:32.7) vs Joe Barrett (16:34.2) or Rocco Culpepper (16:31.4) or Ryan Sykes (16:47 - NXR NY winner) or Hayden Boaz (16:32 - 6th at NXR Northwest) or Zack Cervi-Skinner (16:32 - 12th at NXR northwest)… the list goes on.
That’s insane
Barrett was one of the pre race favourites.
Anybody who ran slower than Hedengren should have his scholarship offer revoked.
Amber Trotter was pretty good. So how many times did Amber Trotter run the esteemed Woodward Park? That course should be a pretty good measuring stick, considering the thousands of runners that have run it.
Amber Trotter at Woodward Park
16:55
Sadie Engelhardt
16:24.
Melody Fairchild track times.
High school 2 mile 9:55
Ncaa champ in 3000 9:07.
Kids are faster now. The FL record will go soon too, probably not this year though.
Deena Kastor, CIF Div 1 Championships at Woodward Park:
1987 Grade 9, 1st Place 17:35
1988 Grade 10, 3rd Place 17:55
1989 Grade 11, 1st Place 17:27
1990 Grade 12, 1st Place 17:29
At the 2024 CIF Div 1 Championships, four girls went under Kastor’s course PR, starting with Rylee Blade’s demolition of Kasto’s past record:
Deena Kastor, CIF Div 1 Championships at Woodward Park:
1987 Grade 9, 1st Place 17:35
1988 Grade 10, 3rd Place 17:55
1989 Grade 11, 1st Place 17:27
1990 Grade 12, 1st Place 17:29
At the 2024 CIF Div 1 Championships, four girls went under Kastor’s course PR, starting with Rylee Blade’s demolition of Kasto’s past record:
Rylee Blade 16:47
Holly Barker 16:59
Braelyn Combe 17:08
Millie Bayles 17:22
Considering all 5 Divisions, a total of eight girls went under Kastor’s PR! (The above list would include Dailey, Errington, Englehardt, and Thomson.)
Imagine a high school cross country team of eight Deena Kastors getting smoked at NXN because 7 days week prior they all put out efforts that surpassed Kastor’s previous championship course PR, while putting in supreme efforts just one week prior to that on the Mt. Sac course.
Considering all 5 Divisions, a total of eight girls went under Kastor’s PR! (The above list would include Dailey, Errington, Englehardt, and Thomson.)
Imagine a high school cross country team of eight Deena Kastors getting smoked at NXN because 7 days week prior they all put out efforts that surpassed Kastor’s previous championship course PR,
while putting in supreme efforts just one week prior to that on the Mt. Sac course.
Give me a break. None of them were putting in "supreme efforts" at Mt SAC the week before the state meet.
I would say this year’s winner, with that performance, has sealed her position as THE defacto American high-school cross-country G.O.A.T.
I would say this was the GOAT xc race by an American HS girl. Absolutely. Even above Melody Fairchild’s Footlocker record.
I wouldn’t say she is the GOAT HS girl, though. She has suffered some notable defeats (due to illness this year, injury last year.) This is the only year she was able to run NXN.
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I would agree 💯 %. Such dominance at. NATIONAL meet and with a impressive field. The FACT she had a decent NXN boy's performance; however, she wasn't pushed or dragged to her impressive time is a worthy GOAT performance 🏆.
Tuohy's 2017 nxn race was just as good. Same SR. Wider gap. (40 seconds over Chinel; 3rd place was 51 seconds slower). Also Tuohy was still 15. This years winner is comfortably 18.
Have you ever raced Mt. Sac?? It’s not some cupcake golf course
That fact that Mt SAC isn't the easiest course doesn't change the fact that the top runners who ran Mt SAC the week before the state meet weren't going all out.
Many California runners simply don't prepare well for NXN and they come up weak excuses instead of facing the truth that they didn't prepare well for NXN.
I am not the one who brought her up in this thread. But if people are going to make 🐐 arguments, then I will chime in. This was an all-time great performance. Fine. It just was not objectively better than other national performances. In 2017 Tuohy had the same SR, broke the previous record by a wider margin, had a wider winning gap, and beat a runner by 40 seconds who went on to win the Great Edinburgh race three weeks later. On the flip side this year's win was faster, but records get broken, in no small part because subsequent runners have a mark to shoot for. It is what it is.
I am not the one who brought her up in this thread. But if people are going to make 🐐 arguments, then I will chime in. This was an all-time great performance. Fine. It just was not objectively better than other national performances. In 2017 Tuohy had the same SR, broke the previous record by a wider margin, had a wider winning gap, and beat a runner by 40 seconds who went on to win the Great Edinburgh race three weeks later. On the flip side this year's win was faster, but records get broken, in no small part because subsequent runners have a mark to shoot for. It is what it is.
Your posts prompted me to go back and look at the 2017 NXN Girls race on YouTube ... My NY bias was smiling when the NY girls finished 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th (Tuohy, Chmiel, Walters (Manlius) and Brooke Rauber (Tully) ... Rauber was the top freshmen, and she finished 6th and 7th in 2018 and 2019.
Rich Gonzalez and Chris Derrick were race analysts on the webcast, and their comments during the race are interesting ... Gonzalez had never seen Tuohy race in-person but had heard all the hype, and he was impressed ... at one point I believe he said Tuohy was racing like it was just a hard tempo workout.
Tuohy opened a big early lead with a 5:06 mile and cruised through the 2-mile in 10:36.
In my opinion, the 2024 NXN girl's field was deeper and more talented than the 2017 field ... But Kelsey Chmiel was all by herself in 2nd place much of the race and (in my opinion) she ran at a level at least equal to the group of girls that finished behind Jane Hedengren in 2024.
The boys ran first in wet NXN 2017 and I figured the boys slowed the course by about 15 seconds for the girls (guys are messier) ... The girls returned the favor by slowing the course by at least 12 seconds for the boys and made some of the sharp turns even more slippery.
Both the Hedengren and Tuohy NXN races were great performances and like you, I don't see much difference.
Agreed. Not much diference. But on the issue of the overall talent in the field, Chimel was a convincing second and Chimel's Great Edinburgh win a few weeks after NXN was among the most impressive results by a US junior runner in XC. She beat the best junior xc runners in Europe, including the likes of Battocletti. She then went on to confirm her talent in the NCAA. That is who 15 year old Tuohy beat by 40 seconds. I think high school runners today are generally faster and maybe more professionalized and polished than they were back in 2017, but I would be curious to see if any of the runners achieve comparable xc results.
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