Is Hocker seriously not going to back up his statement on Kerley?

why are you talking about ball handling skills?

whose balls are we referring to?

You stated Gray never raced longer than 1000m. Then, I posted a video of him running a 1500m. Then, you asked for one more.

I asked you for one name of a world class 600m or longer distance by a person over 200 pounds, and you responded by asking for someone under 130 who has run a world class 600m, and I responded with Seb Coe, who was actually under 120 pounds. Then, you posted his 400m time in a pathetic attempt to move the bar again, when everyone knows Coe could absolutely rip a 600m. Argue the point of the matter or I’m resorting to insulting your intelligence again.

This isn't even a sentence.

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Since you can’t win the argument, you attack the typos.

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Here's a hint:

You only look dumber when you argue like a child or caveman, 'Duhhhhh Hocker is miler... mile is middle distance ... 800 is middle distance ... Gray was 800 runner... Gray was fast in 600 ... HOCKER IS FAST 600 RUNNER!'

No. Hocker will never run a world class 800, much less a world class 600. He is more likely to run a world class 10,000. He would be trounced by any world-class 400 runner, let alone a 43-44 man.

Not typos. Incoherence.

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The only way to settle this is an actual race. One of them is willing, the other is hiding.

That should tell you something.

The point of the matter is the actual challenge on the table, issued by Kerley, with silence from Hocker in response.

Actual relevant times:

Kerley: has consistently run ~ 19.8 / 44.5 in 2021, 2022, and 2023. Ran 19.8 in 2024, skipped the 400 season due to injury. Has had a decade-long career as a 400 meter runner. If you don't like him in the 600, you don't know the event.

Hocker: 1500/5k runner, 3:27, 12:58. Has broken 1:46 exactly once. 1:45.6. 😆😆😆

If you would put money on Hocker here, anyone with a clue would be glad to take it from you.

What does that have to do with anything?

Nobody is talking about posting a world class time here.

We are talking about beating a distance runner in the 600, who isn't remotely world class in the 800.🤣

Listen.

- In 2024, Hocker's slow 1:45.6 ranked him 117th in the world for the 800. He was a massive 4.5 seconds off of #1.

- In 2023, Kerley's 44.6 ranked him 22nd in the world in the 400. He was 0.9 seconds off of #1. (He skipped the 400 season due to injury in 2024, but ran 19.8 for 200, the same as 2021/2022/2023.) Not on the level of his 43.6 world #3 from 2019, but this just shows his longevity and massive long sprinting strength.

Come on.

If they meet in the middle, I've got the guy who is world-class and not irrelevant in the nearest adjacent event.

From the sound of silence, I guess Hocker feels the same.

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I won it the moment it started. (Facts are facts.) You are just too ignorant to know that.

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Kerley is a quality 400 runner with a decade of experience in the event.

Kerley has run sub-45.00 26 times.

Kerley has run sub-46.00 44 times.

Only an idiot would bet against him running a solid 600. At least solid enough to beat...

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Hocker is a world-beating 1500/mile runner, whose slow 1:45.6 800 and brilliant 12:58 5000 show he is clearly an endurance based-miler, not an 800-1500 runner like Coe🤣, and definitely not an 800 runner like Johnny Gray (who you have bizarrely dwelled on).🤣🤣🤣

I am pretty sure Paul McMullen ran his first Sub 4:00 mile at around 210 pounds. From what I hear he was originally recruited to EMU as a football TE or something and switched to running after injuries.

Correct.

Imagine thinking that a seasoned 44-second 400 runner couldn't run 24.5 / 25.5 (50.0) / 26.5 --> 1:16.5.

Because there is NO WAY that Hocker is going sub-1:17.00 as a 1500/5000 runner with just 1:45.6 ability.

https://www.milesplit.com/calc?time=44.0&event=400m

McMullen, RIP, was not even over 190 lbs when he first broke 4 minutes in the mile. There’s a thread on it somewhere. He’s the heaviest ever to break 4 minutes, but he was around 180lbs or so according to him.

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McMullen said he was 200lbs during football but down to 175 by track season. His words.

Surely there is one guy on that top 50 600m times list over 200 lbs. Yes? No? Regardless, Big Fred won't need a sub 1.15 to beat Man Bun. Can either of them run 1.15? Both are untested in this area.

Good thing we're talking about the 600, not the mile.

Have you ever seen a high level race in either event??

Not exactly the same phenotypes populating the fast sections.

This is the correct answer.

At 23, Hocker has only broken 1:46 once in his entire career (finally getting there in 2024), in spite of racing it quite a lot. He is an endurance-based miler (3:27/12:58), not an 800-1500 man.

From a mile down, Hocker gets only worse as the distance gets shorter. Much worse.

He certainly doesn't have the speed for anything noteworthy in the 600.

Meanwhile, Kerley has demonstrated tools for a noteworthy 600. He has a decade of experience at a high high level in the 400. Has run sub-45.00 26 times. He has run sub-46.00 44 times.

Nobody with a clue would bet against Kerley here. And that includes Hocker, apparently. 😆😆😆🐔🐔🐔🐥🐥🐥

A full out effort is required from the gun for the 60m and 100m.

200m and 400m require some pacing but are clearly sprints