You are being condescending by accusing me of trolling, by trying to dismiss a 43-year course record, and by not wanting to count Kerr's magnificent indoor season for an award that is supposed to be about the whole YEAR and not just a few months. How rude.
I think you still are trolling when you call me rude. But it’s OK by me -I get it that you are here to have some fun…
In my view Kerr had a break through that started in late fall 2023 (he told the training went very well at the time). And therefore he went for a long season, with an impressing indoor season, that confirmed that he had something going, and probably was the current best mid distance in the world (because Jakob, who quite consistently had been around 2 sec better than him in 2023 was seriously injured)…
In May 2024 Jakob surprised me by starting his season that early. So despite what you are claiming I think Jakob has had an extraordinary long season (given his injury background). And although Kerr was better than Jakob in May I was very surprised by the small gap Kerr had to Jakob. And I also disagree in your praise of Josh having a long season -I think he shows real weakness here by racing very little, and having to have very much time between his good performances, whereas Jakob, despite sickness, is able to concentrate his stellar races and also show longevity and consistency, whereas Josh ended his track season by a catastrophic loss (2 sec) to a sick Jakob. -Very weak!
Despite my reasoning above: Josh showed very good progress from his 2023 season in the mile in May, and I agree with Jakob that Josh showed here an ability to race in a decent way, and not only being a parasite. But it is striking that Jakob already in July was far better than Kerr (by running a 3.26 clearly way out of the Brit’s reach, even when the latter is paced 1450m).
Conclusion: Jakob had a far “longer” season than Josh -of course not in time, although all isn’t said and done yet, but in the amount of good races. And I haven’t even mentioned his 5000meters..! -Extremely good done of a guy that came from injuries and sickness vs a guy that has had a year of improvement and chill. And I’m sorry -this 3.44 is of course a win, but the time conversion just isn’t what you think…
😆 You are hysterical! You accuse me of trolling while trying to argue that Jakob had a longer season than Kerr? 🤣
Your comment about Kerr having a break through in late fall 2023 after he had already beaten Jakob and everyone else to become the world champ is high level comedy. Good one!
I appreciate your efforts but once again you make extremely faulty comparisons. What advantage has Jakob had this outdoor season, especially these last few weeks over everyone else who has been competing the whole year? He's been FRESH because he didn't start racing until late May while they have been running on FUMES because they've been racing longer.
Take a closer look at some of the guys he beat in Silesia.
Aregawi ran cross country and started racing in January. Kejelcha ran a 26:37 10k on the roads back in March. Barega ran a full indoor season starting in February. T.H. Bekele raced indoors in February. Fisher has been racing since February.
You have to give more respect to someone like Kerr who has been racing since the winter like so many others when selecting the 2024 middle distance runner of the YEAR award. It's much more difficult to be magnificent for 7 months than for 3.5 months.
Your bias here is so extreme. -Yes, a long season can be exhausting. But don’t you see the context here -do you really think Jakob preferred being injured 5 months instead of full training and a full indoor season. Man, you really are breaking some records here!
I tried to explain the same thing. Being injured and then running 3:26/7:17, getting Olympic Gold, a world record, and maybe the Diamond League title is more amazing because he did it coming off an injury.
Yes, Jakob missed indoors but when the season opener rolled around back in May, both he and Josh Kerr ran a very honest 3:45 at Pre (I was there). People were stunned that Jakob was already back and in the same shape as Kerr despite having had such a hard Winter.
p.s. Kerr 100% earned and deserved that win at Pre. He took control a lot sooner than we expected and controlled it in the end. Hats off to Kerr, for sure!
It's bizarre that you guys won't admit that Jakob has had a freshness advantage for the past month. Grant Fisher literally stated "the wheels finally came off" after Silesia. Just about everyone else has had a dip in their level of performance since the Olympics while Jakob was out there looking fresh as a daisy in Lausanne and Silesia.
Jakob was obviously able to have a productive offseason for him to be able to run faster than he ever has before.
It's bizarre that you guys won't admit that Jakob has had a freshness advantage for the past month. Grant Fisher literally stated "the wheels finally came off" after Silesia. Just about everyone else has had a dip in their level of performance since the Olympics while Jakob was out there looking fresh as a daisy in Lausanne and Silesia.
Jakob was obviously able to have a productive offseason for him to be able to run faster than he ever has before.
Who is fresher right now?
Someone who has run 12 races (including 3 800s) from early February to September
Someone who has run 16 races (including 4 5Ks) from late May to September
It's bizarre that you guys won't admit that Jakob has had a freshness advantage for the past month. Grant Fisher literally stated "the wheels finally came off" after Silesia. Just about everyone else has had a dip in their level of performance since the Olympics while Jakob was out there looking fresh as a daisy in Lausanne and Silesia.
Jakob was obviously able to have a productive offseason for him to be able to run faster than he ever has before.
Who is fresher right now?
Someone who has run 12 races (including 3 800s) from early February to September
Someone who has run 16 races (including 4 5Ks) from late May to September
You say that as if Jakob was pushed to his limits at the Norwegian championships and wasn’t able to use several of his races as workouts. 🙄
Sydney: "I broke the World Record and won Gold at the Olympics and was undefeated. How was yours?"
Holloway: "I didn't PR or get any world records but I got a Gold medal. I only lost two times since then."
Sydney: "Don't feel bad, that's a good season too."
Holloway: "Oh wait, I just remembered, I got a 'world short track 60 metres world record' back in March."
Sydney: "What? I wasn't really listening."
You must like exposing your ignorance.
It is just in good fun. Your arguments are valid and track well with what you care about. That is normal human psychology. You care about "length of season" a lot and that is your right. It sounds like the rest of us don't care about that aspect as much. But you have every right to your own priorities (as do we).
I just think that in most sports, if you don't "win the big one" or break some kind of legendary record, you rarely get to claim to have had the best season.
When the Patriots won all their regular season games but lost the Superbowl, well, that kind of ruined their season and nobody was able to overlook that.
Kerr talked a lot of smack but didn't win the Olympics and didn't break Komen's record (the greatest middle distance record in the world). Kerr also don't have an immaculate record of wins vs. losses. He also didn't race the most (only 12 times all year). He also won't be in the final head-to-head battle of the pros (the Diamond League Final). Given all that, most people aren't going to look back on 2024 and call it the "Season of Kerr."
Hocker - Olympic Gold
Jakob - Fastest three times of the year (incl. 3:26) and broke the epic Komen record with a 7:17!
Wanyonyi - Won Gold and ran 1:41 like every time he raced!
Kerr - not sure what his highlight was
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It is just in good fun. Your arguments are valid and track well with what you care about. That is normal human psychology. You care about "length of season" a lot and that is your right. It sounds like the rest of us don't care about that aspect as much. But you have every right to your own priorities (as do we).
I just think that in most sports, if you don't "win the big one" or break some kind of legendary record, you rarely get to claim to have had the best season.
When the Patriots won all their regular season games but lost the Superbowl, well, that kind of ruined their season and nobody was able to overlook that.
Kerr talked a lot of smack but didn't win the Olympics and didn't break Komen's record (the greatest middle distance record in the world). Kerr also don't have an immaculate record of wins vs. losses. He also didn't race the most (only 12 times all year). He also won't be in the final head-to-head battle of the pros (the Diamond League Final). Given all that, most people aren't going to look back on 2024 and call it the "Season of Kerr."
Hocker - Olympic Gold
Jakob - Fastest three times of the year (incl. 3:26) and broke the epic Komen record with a 7:17!
Wanyonyi - Won Gold and ran 1:41 like every time he raced!
Kerr - not sure what his highlight was
I appreciate you acknowledging that my arguments are valid. I acknowledge that Kerr's case isn't airtight. But neither is anyone else's, which is what makes it so interesting. Do you really want to give the middle distance award to someone who didn't win a middle distance medal at the Olympics?
Let's go with your 2007 Patriots example. You are right that their loss in the biggest game of the year ruined their season. But you may not know that they broke records that year. They broke the record for most wins in the regular season and most points scored in the regular season. That means their football resume that year is like Jakob's middle distance resume this year: breaking records but failing to win the big one.
I admit it's not a perfect comparison. It would be perfect if the Patriots got to skip the first half of the season, then set the record for most points scored in a single game, racked up wins against tired opponents who've been competing all year, and lost in the Super Bowl. No, that wouldn't be perfect either because they finished second and Jakob finished fourth. It would be perfect if they lost in the AFC championship game.
The reason you're not sure what Kerr's highlight was is because he had so many! That's why he won't win the single individual performance of the year award, but he should win the 2024 middle distance runner of the year award.
The good news is, if Wanyonyi gets the WR in the Diamond League Final, then none of the "big four" 1500m runners will have a leg to stand on and we can both be wrong. :)
It will be the new king of the 800m for sure who takes home the Mid-Distance Runner of the Year award.
You say that as if Jakob was pushed to his limits at the Norwegian championships and wasn’t able to use several of his races as workouts. 🙄
Yes, he pushed him self in the Nationals. He ran an all out solo 1500m (won by 100m+ over 3.37 guys) in windy conditions, and then a 5000m 12.5 hours later against Nordås that was the nearest to beat him (not being sick) that I have seen since 2019…
An exchange with you is like with a wino in an alley.
Something you are obviously used to, considering how often you are drunk.
And you lied.
The inebriation is coming off the page with you. It simply shows your unending obsession with another poster and your absolute lack of interest in the thread subject - ever.
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Someone who has run 12 races (including 3 800s) from early February to September
Someone who has run 16 races (including 4 5Ks) from late May to September
You say that as if Jakob was pushed to his limits at the Norwegian championships and wasn’t able to use several of his races as workouts. 🙄
Yes and it’s well known that Jakob uses races as training runs. He says he rarely runs race pace in workouts . He trains differently so he can race more. Kerr trains more and races less. It’s just different approaches as everyone is different.
Kerr himself said after the 5th Avenue mile that he’s just really happy to feel strong and not pick up an injury. That is what is important to him. You can lose so much time due to injury - see Jake Wightman.
You can improve massively if you avoid injury (see Jess Hull).
You say that as if Jakob was pushed to his limits at the Norwegian championships and wasn’t able to use several of his races as workouts. 🙄
Yes and it’s well known that Jakob uses races as training runs. He says he rarely runs race pace in workouts . He trains differently so he can race more. Kerr trains more and races less. It’s just different approaches as everyone is different.
Kerr himself said after the 5th Avenue mile that he’s just really happy to feel strong and not pick up an injury. That is what is important to him. You can lose so much time due to injury - see Jake Wightman.
You can improve massively if you avoid injury (see Jess Hull).
Jess Hull might not be the right kind of example. Her massive improvement won't be simply about "avoiding injury".
You should get some sleep. And you should stop harassing young women.
You should stop taking yourself so seriously. You know this is place where people simply give their opinions - as you do?
Why is it that Kerrnel of Truth and I were able to disagree on almost every post but when it was all said and done I feel like he treated me with respect (even though we don't agree) and I still respect his opinions too.
Can everybody learn to disagree in a respectful way? Can't you phrase your disagreements in a way that isn't dehumanizing?
I like that Kerrnel was always able to actually refute the things I wrote. He never just resorted to calling me insane or drunk or a liar or a person with no life.
If a person resorts to that line of debate, just stop engaging with them...
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