I have given many arguments, for example in the post you have replied here. Many more arguments in other posts. You just ignore them because you have no arguments against them and you never would agree that you are wrong.
Coe has lost 9 1500m/Mile races between 1983 and 1986. And this while racing very sparingly internationally - completely different to Ingebrigtsen who races against top competition many times in every season. Also all the others you regularly quote have lost many races (Elliott in his very short career not in the 1500m/Mile).
Elliott NEVER lost over the 1500/mile. You are saying about Jakob?
Except for being yet another runner superior to Ingebrigtsen in a global 1500 championship, which Ingebrigtsen has never won.
In their other 6 matches since 2019 Ingebrigtsen has beaten Wightman, including at the Olympics and the World champs.
Laughable just to point again and again what he has not won, and ignoring everything he has won and what others havn't won. He is clearly the most successful in the 1500m in this decade. Looking at all distances, he is so far ahead (apart from Cheptegei) that it's not worth discussing.
The most consistent championship loser is the "best" md runner of the decade. Standards have fallen.
The most consistent championship loser is the "best" md runner of the decade. Standards have fallen.
Yes and no - all four global outdoor 1500 championships of this decade were won by different people. Ingebrigtsen, Wightman, Kerr, and Hocker each have one gold. They all lost (or DNS) the other three. Equally consistent losing, to use your terminology. If you’re looking for a tiebreak, Ingebrigtsen’s two silvers arguably edge out Kerr’s silver and bronze, while the other two have zero minor medals. There’s no objective criteria by which Ingebrigtsen is a more consistent championship loser than his contemporaries.
I have given many arguments, for example in the post you have replied here. Many more arguments in other posts. You just ignore them because you have no arguments against them and you never would agree that you are wrong.
Coe has lost 9 1500m/Mile races between 1983 and 1986. And this while racing very sparingly internationally - completely different to Ingebrigtsen who races against top competition many times in every season. Also all the others you regularly quote have lost many races (Elliott in his very short career not in the 1500m/Mile).
Coe was ill in 83. He won the only global championship between 84 and 86. He was at his peak in 79-81. How many 1500/mile races did he lose then? I doubt if many would say at the end of 1986 that Coe was the best of the last three or four years. That would have to be Cram, although Cram might have swapped everything else to have Coe's LA gold medal.
Elliott was not an 800m runner. Nobody is bringing Jakob's 800m races into this, not even Thoughtsleader.
Jakob is still the best 1500m runner of the last four years. Nobody has won two global championships in that time, and Jakob has an Olympic gold and the fastest times and dominated the circuit.
But the OP is still correct that the current situation is probably unique in track history.
The main reasons are Jakob's obstinance in not developing 800m speed or changing tactics in global championships, and the set up of the circuit these days, in which every single race is paced at close to WR schedule, and even now with wavelights.
He has also had bad luck, with catching a cold last year, and then injured in the winter. You could also say that the fact that McSweyen and Tim faded and are no longer able to share the front running with him in global finals.
I have given many arguments, for example in the post you have replied here. Many more arguments in other posts. You just ignore them because you have no arguments against them and you never would agree that you are wrong.
Coe has lost 9 1500m/Mile races between 1983 and 1986. And this while racing very sparingly internationally - completely different to Ingebrigtsen who races against top competition many times in every season. Also all the others you regularly quote have lost many races (Elliott in his very short career not in the 1500m/Mile).
Elliott NEVER lost over the 1500/mile. You are saying about Jakob?
Coe has lost 9 from 1983 to 1986 while racing extremely sparingly internationally.
Elliott hasn't lost at 1500m/Mile because he has had three seasons where he raced outside of Australia/ NZ.
Ingebrigtsen has lost 1500s - like Cram, Ovett and all the others. Only Morceli and El G are clearly ahead of him.
In their other 6 matches since 2019 Ingebrigtsen has beaten Wightman, including at the Olympics and the World champs.
Laughable just to point again and again what he has not won, and ignoring everything he has won and what others havn't won. He is clearly the most successful in the 1500m in this decade. Looking at all distances, he is so far ahead (apart from Cheptegei) that it's not worth discussing.
The most consistent championship loser is the "best" md runner of the decade. Standards have fallen.
No.
But you still fail to understand what it means to compare one athlete with some other.
He has the best championship record of those years with 1 2 2 4.
And for sure the fastest times, the most wins and so on. It's not to debate that he is no. 1 for this period.
I have given many arguments, for example in the post you have replied here. Many more arguments in other posts. You just ignore them because you have no arguments against them and you never would agree that you are wrong.
Coe has lost 9 1500m/Mile races between 1983 and 1986. And this while racing very sparingly internationally - completely different to Ingebrigtsen who races against top competition many times in every season. Also all the others you regularly quote have lost many races (Elliott in his very short career not in the 1500m/Mile).
Elliott NEVER lost over the 1500/mile. You are saying about Jakob?
The most consistent championship loser is the "best" md runner of the decade. Standards have fallen.
Yes and no - all four global outdoor 1500 championships of this decade were won by different people. Ingebrigtsen, Wightman, Kerr, and Hocker each have one gold. They all lost (or DNS) the other three. Equally consistent losing, to use your terminology. If you’re looking for a tiebreak, Ingebrigtsen’s two silvers arguably edge out Kerr’s silver and bronze, while the other two have zero minor medals. There’s no objective criteria by which Ingebrigtsen is a more consistent championship loser than his contemporaries.
You are coming to my point. He isn't the "best". He is one of several who could make that claim. There is no current "best" but a bunch of contenders. The next guys are catching up with him.
Elliott NEVER lost over the 1500/mile. You are saying about Jakob?
Coe has lost 9 from 1983 to 1986 while racing extremely sparingly internationally.
Elliott hasn't lost at 1500m/Mile because he has had three seasons where he raced outside of Australia/ NZ.
Ingebrigtsen has lost 1500s - like Cram, Ovett and all the others. Only Morceli and El G are clearly ahead of him.
More ill-informed and biased cherry-picking. The question asked in the thread poses in the starkest possible terms the uniqueness of Ingebrigtsen's situation. No previous "best" 1500/miler was in that position. Comparatively, he is the "best" with the worst competitive record against those such as Elliott, Snell, Coe and El G.
Not at a senior level. Juniors don't count. That isn't how the "best" in the sport are measured.
And you claim to have followed the sport closely for decades. Hahahahaha
Man, you are so ignorant!
My comments had been in respect of WC 1500 events - as I have repeatedly stated but you have been unable to follow - which he has never won. Sure, he won at Tokyo over 3 years ago but where did he get at the last Olympics? He hasn't been the "best" for over 3 years.
And you claim to have followed the sport closely for decades. Hahahahaha
Man, you are so ignorant!
My comments had been in respect of WC 1500 events - as I have repeatedly stated but you have been unable to follow - which he has never won. Sure, he won at Tokyo over 3 years ago but where did he get at the last Olympics? He hasn't been the "best" for over 3 years.
Your comment stated that he has never won a global championship at senior level. Cry some more.
Yes and no - all four global outdoor 1500 championships of this decade were won by different people. Ingebrigtsen, Wightman, Kerr, and Hocker each have one gold. They all lost (or DNS) the other three. Equally consistent losing, to use your terminology. If you’re looking for a tiebreak, Ingebrigtsen’s two silvers arguably edge out Kerr’s silver and bronze, while the other two have zero minor medals. There’s no objective criteria by which Ingebrigtsen is a more consistent championship loser than his contemporaries.
You are coming to my point. He isn't the "best". He is one of several who could make that claim. There is no current "best" but a bunch of contenders. The next guys are catching up with him.
So according to you Wightman, Cheruiyot and Manangoi are currently better runners than Nuguse, since the only thing that determines who's the best is winning the global final. Running fast times, high placements in global championship races you didn't win and wins in non-global championships aren't relevant towards who's the best, apparently.
My comments had been in respect of WC 1500 events - as I have repeatedly stated but you have been unable to follow - which he has never won. Sure, he won at Tokyo over 3 years ago but where did he get at the last Olympics? He hasn't been the "best" for over 3 years.
Your comment stated that he has never won a global championship at senior level. Cry some more.
You do get yourself riled by what another commenter says on an opinion site - and stating opinions is what this place is about. I doubt anyone dares disagree with you at home. The explosion.
You are coming to my point. He isn't the "best". He is one of several who could make that claim. There is no current "best" but a bunch of contenders. The next guys are catching up with him.
So according to you Wightman, Cheruiyot and Manangoi are currently better runners than Nuguse, since the only thing that determines who's the best is winning the global final. Running fast times, high placements in global championship races you didn't win and wins in non-global championships aren't relevant towards who's the best, apparently.
They are relevant but they don't carry as much weight as winning a global championship final. Nuguse has to do that to match them. Except for world records fast times have never trumped global trophies.
So according to you Wightman, Cheruiyot and Manangoi are currently better runners than Nuguse, since the only thing that determines who's the best is winning the global final. Running fast times, high placements in global championship races you didn't win and wins in non-global championships aren't relevant towards who's the best, apparently.
They are relevant but they don't carry as much weight as winning a global championship final. Nuguse has to do that to match them. Except for world records fast times have never trumped global trophies.
Yes, they have better careers. We're not discussing who had the better careers, but who is the better runner today. Not 2022, not 2019, not 2017, today.
They are relevant but they don't carry as much weight as winning a global championship final. Nuguse has to do that to match them. Except for world records fast times have never trumped global trophies.
Yes, they have better careers. We're not discussing who had the better careers, but who is the better runner today. Not 2022, not 2019, not 2017, today.
I think there are several runners who are currently vying for the top spot in the 1500, based on what we have seen this year. Jakob had that crown at Tokyo but it's since been up for grabs. The one I think least likely to take it is Hocker as I doubt he can back up his Paris win. It looks like a fluke to me. While Wightman hasn't fully recovered from injury he is also out of contention now. If Nuguse can win again in a big race he has to be counted and clearly Kerr is up there. Jakob's critical losses have put him back in the bunch - but only over that distance. The longer events are clearly another story.
Yes, they have better careers. We're not discussing who had the better careers, but who is the better runner today. Not 2022, not 2019, not 2017, today.
I think there are several runners who are currently vying for the top spot in the 1500, based on what we have seen this year. Jakob had that crown at Tokyo but it's since been up for grabs. The one I think least likely to take it is Hocker as I doubt he can back up his Paris win. It looks like a fluke to me. While Wightman hasn't fully recovered from injury he is also out of contention now. If Nuguse can win again in a big race he has to be counted and clearly Kerr is up there. Jakob's critical losses have put him back in the bunch - but only over that distance. The longer events are clearly another story.
And here you're proving the point that you only consider winning the gold in the global championship. When all of the top runners have the same amount of global golds the next point of consideration becomes who's the fastest, who placed the best in global championships where they didn't win the gold and who has the best record in non-global championships. The answer to all three of those questions is Jakob.
He's not the best by a big margin, but that doesn't change the fact that he is the best.
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