Imagine hating women so much that you pretend to be one just to gain access to an arena where you can legitimately knock them unconscious and be praised for it.
I know many people see this issue as "a marginalised person who just wants to compete in the sport they love as the gender for which they identify".
However, you do have to question the mentality of a male that goes into combat sports to fight females. Perhaps the above reasoning holds up in some others sports, but I don't think it does or can in combat sports.
Imagine hating women so much that you pretend to be one just to gain access to an arena where you can legitimately knock them unconscious and be praised for it.
I know many people see this issue as "a marginalised person who just wants to compete in the sport they love as the gender for which they identify".
However, you do have to question the mentality of a male that goes into combat sports to fight females. Perhaps the above reasoning holds up in some others sports, but I don't think it does or can in combat sports.
Are you people being ignorant on purpose? I agree that biological males should not compete against women but this person is literally a woman. Should she just not be allowed compete or what?
There are no transgender people in the Olympics. That was ruled out two years ago. So this whole story is BS! Maybe Let's Run will stop with the propaganda.
For the Paris 2024 Olympics, the new guidelines require transgender women to have completed their transition before the age of 12 to be eligible to compete in the women's category. This rule is intended to prevent any perceived unfair advantages that might arise from undergoing male puberty.
In addition, at least 10 Olympic sports have restricted the participation of transgender athletes. These include sports like athletics, cycling, swimming, rugby, rowing, and boxing.
So according to the rules if there was a trans person they would have had to transition before the age of 12 and not went through male puberty.
Why don't Lets Run get there fing facts straight before they start spreading BS!
There is such a hatred of trans people I guess they just got bored the last few months not being able to talk about trans people!
Letsrun why do you get some facts before you start these threads!
You’re the one who’s talking bollox and spreading propaganda. Your post is so full of misinformation it's risible.
The IOC no longer sets, maintains or oversees standards for eligibility in women’s events at the Olympics. Under a new policy it announced in 2021 after the end of the Tokyo Games, the IOC said it was going to let the governing bodies of each sport set their own eligibility standards.
But in the particular case of boxing at the Paris Olympics, the IOC itself is in charge.
Due to allegations of corruption totally unrelated to the current brouhaha over the two fighters reported to be XY competing in women’s boxing, the IOC decided that the usual governing body for boxing - the International Boxing Association or IBA - shouldn't be in charge of Olympic boxing for the 2024 Games.
Instead, boxing at this year's Olympics are under governance of an ad-hoc unit of the IOC that the IOC developed just for this year's Games called the Paris 2024 Boxing Unit.
Unfortunately, the rules and regulations issued by the Paris Boxing Unit don't have any meaningful eligibility standards for participation in the women's category.
To be eligible to compete in women’s boxing at the 2024 Paris Olympics, all an athlete has to do is:
1) present a passport which says the athlete’s sex is female;
2 submit statement saying "I'm not pregnant" (or words to that effect) by submitting an electronic document called "the Non-Pregnancy Declaration Form" before each bout;
3) meet the general medical standards that boxers of both sexes have to meet - such as appearing to be good health without any open wounds and with a normal gait, in other words not showing signs of being "punch drunk."
This week, IOC officials have said verbally and in written statements that the two boxers reported to be male fighting in women’s matches at the Paris Olympics are “complying with the competition eligibility rules. They are women in their passports and it is stated that is the case, that they are female.”
I'll provide links to the the rules and regulations issued by the Paris Boxing Unit in a separate post.
I’m so confused by the conservative opinion here. Up until today, I was under the impression that their main point was that men couldn’t give birth and so if someone couldn’t bare children then they had no business competing with women. But then here we actually have someone who was born a woman, has lived her entire life as a woman, has many losses in her sport (to women), is physically capable of baring children and yet the transphobes (aka Marjorie Taylor Green and JK Rowling) are still up in arms and calling her a man. I mean pick a lane and make up your mind. Should we just disqualify anyone who has a physical advantage? Like maybe we shouldn’t have let Michael Phelps compete because of his insane wingspan or maybe they should pull Wemby from the hoops competition because he’s 7’4” and can shoot the lights out. Like when does it end with you people.
This. She was born a woman. She has lived as a woman. She has a period. She is capable of giving birth. She has female genitalia. And conservatives think she's... a man?
So born and raised as a female, but was found out to have a Y chromosome, which kept them out of World Championships last year. Odd that the Olympics would allow them to compete, but it's 2024, so anything is possible I guess
There are no transgender people in the Olympics. That was ruled out two years ago. So this whole story is BS! Maybe Let's Run will stop with the propaganda.
For the Paris 2024 Olympics, the new guidelines require transgender women to have completed their transition before the age of 12 to be eligible to compete in the women's category. This rule is intended to prevent any perceived unfair advantages that might arise from undergoing male puberty.
In addition, at least 10 Olympic sports have restricted the participation of transgender athletes. These include sports like athletics, cycling, swimming, rugby, rowing, and boxing.
So according to the rules if there was a trans person they would have had to transition before the age of 12 and not went through male puberty.
Why don't Lets Run get there fing facts straight before they start spreading BS!
There is such a hatred of trans people I guess they just got bored the last few months not being able to talk about trans people!
Letsrun why do you get some facts before you start these threads!
I don't get why you've decided to go into totally irrelevant rules for trans-identified male athletes in the women's category of a bunch of other sports when those rules have no bearing on, or relation to, women's boxing at the Paris Olympics under the governance of the specially-created ad hoc outfit called the Paris Boxing Unit.
Nor do I get why you've gotten all up in arms on this particular thread about "hatred of trans people."
Coz AFAICT, the topic of this thread isn't trans.
The issue under discussion here is the controversy surrounding two athletes reported to be XY competing in women’s boxing.
Since this story first broke, the sense I've gotten is that these two athletes are most likely XY DSD athletes thought to be female at birth like Caster Semenya and Francine Niyonsaba, not normally-developed XY male athletes who've adopted trans gender identities like Laurel Hubbard and Lia Thomas.
An alternative view put forward by some is that they're just bog-standard blokes taking the piss by exploiting the lax rules that have come into force in the current century as sporting bodies have bent over backwards to try to make the female sports category "inclusive" of males who want in.
Thursday night the AP reported that to determine the two supposedly XY boxers’ eligibility at the Paris Games, the IOC fell back on the previous IOC standards in place at the 2016 Rio Olympics and the 2020/21 Olympics. As you’ll recall, at the Rio Olympics all three medalists in the women’s 800m were XY DSD athletes - Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui.
ETA: the above does seem to be true. The IOC has a new statement out which says
"As with previous Olympic boxing competitions, the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport."
"The PBU used the Tokyo 2020 boxing rules as a baseline to develop its regulations for Paris 2024. This was to minimise the impact on athletes’ preparations and guarantee consistency between Olympic Games. These Tokyo 2020 rules were based on the post-Rio 2016 rules
This seems to lend credence to the view that the two athletes at the heart of this controversy are males with DSDs, not males with trans gender identities.
But at any rate, not everything is about trans.
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I’m so confused by the conservative opinion here. Up until today, I was under the impression that their main point was that men couldn’t give birth and so if someone couldn’t bare children then they had no business competing with women. But then here we actually have someone who was born a woman, has lived her entire life as a woman, has many losses in her sport (to women), is physically capable of baring children and yet the transphobes (aka Marjorie Taylor Green and JK Rowling) are still up in arms and calling her a man. I mean pick a lane and make up your mind. Should we just disqualify anyone who has a physical advantage? Like maybe we shouldn’t have let Michael Phelps compete because of his insane wingspan or maybe they should pull Wemby from the hoops competition because he’s 7’4” and can shoot the lights out. Like when does it end with you people.
This. She was born a woman. She has lived as a woman. She has a period. She is capable of giving birth. She has female genitalia. And conservatives think she's... a man?
I’m so confused by the conservative opinion here. Up until today, I was under the impression that their main point was that men couldn’t give birth and so if someone couldn’t bare children then they had no business competing with women. But then here we actually have someone who was born a woman, has lived her entire life as a woman, has many losses in her sport (to women), is physically capable of baring children and yet the transphobes (aka Marjorie Taylor Green and JK Rowling) are still up in arms and calling her a man. I mean pick a lane and make up your mind. Should we just disqualify anyone who has a physical advantage? Like maybe we shouldn’t have let Michael Phelps compete because of his insane wingspan or maybe they should pull Wemby from the hoops competition because he’s 7’4” and can shoot the lights out. Like when does it end with you people.
This. She was born a woman. She has lived as a woman. She has a period. She is capable of giving birth. She has female genitalia. And conservatives think she's... a man?
WHAT IS A WOMAN?
Where do you get these facts from?
It seems he was born a man with 46 xy dsd and therefore incorrectly identified as a girl.
He maybe lived as a woman. Apart from he probably had male puberty but not female puberty etc. Not sure how just wearing a dress makes you a woman.
Where do you see he has a period or is capable of giving birth, or even has distinct identifiable female genitalia?
Pls provide biological and medical evidence of those facts, and a passport and self identity ain't it.
Very odd that a largely Muslim nation would allow a man to compete as a woman.
These athletes are far more likely to compete in developing countries. In western countries These disorders are screened/recognized and treated very early.
It seems he was born a man with 46 xy dsd and therefore incorrectly identified as a girl.
He maybe lived as a woman. Apart from he probably had male puberty but not female puberty etc. Not sure how just wearing a dress makes you a woman.
Where do you see he has a period or is capable of giving birth, or even has distinct identifiable female genitalia?
Pls provide biological and medical evidence of those facts, and a passport and self identity ain't it.
The internet is awash with identical takes (potentially bots?) asserting that Khelif has 'always been female' and 'has a uterus'. I think you'll be waiting a long time for the evidence of this because Khelif failed two sex tests and- with absolute certainty- has testes.
This. She was born a woman. She has lived as a woman. She has a period. She is capable of giving birth. She has female genitalia. And conservatives think she's... a man?
WHAT IS A WOMAN?
The XY boxer? Do we have evidence of your assertions? (Ignoring the politics as I am most certainly not as described above).
The thread title calling this boxer biological male is wrong. This person was assigned female at birth- she is not trans. She has women’s genitalia one can assume from being assigned female in Algeria.
We dont know if XY or XX, that’s being reported as XY but the source isn’t valid. All we know of failed a gender test. that could be too high a threshold level of endogenous testosterone from enzyme/hormone issues- even PCOS can push a females testosterone higher than normal testosterone levels for a woman. The trans athletes in women’s sport is an entirely different argument to this one. And her performances have never been outliers. No one had an issue fighting her last Olympics. The Italian acted like a child.
I have always been clear that this instance is nothing to do with trans issues and just like the Semenya case, in the absence of definitive statements everyone guesses. Yes I understand privacy concerns etc but to be an athlete at the top level these unfortunately have to be compromised in the name of fair play. An analogous situation are the "whereabouts" rules for drug testing, these are a massive intrusion into personal privacy and freedoms.
Oh and it is easy to call someone else a child when you haven't been on the receiving end of a punch from someone with strength you have not previously encountered.
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Imagine hating women so much that you pretend to be one just to gain access to an arena where you can legitimately knock them unconscious and be praised for it.
Um, from everything I read, it appears she was born/raised as female but revealed to have XY chromosomes.
You have a made up narrative and ignore facts to push it. Not sure what the answer is but bullying someone born intersex doesn’t seem like the best option.
Bullying? Tell that to the Italian chick that got beaten by the biological man. That is bullying.
The thread title calling this boxer biological male is wrong. This person was assigned female at birth- she is not trans. She has women’s genitalia one can assume from being assigned female in Algeria.
We dont know if XY or XX, that’s being reported as XY but the source isn’t valid. All we know of failed a gender test. that could be too high a threshold level of endogenous testosterone from enzyme/hormone issues- even PCOS can push a females testosterone higher than normal testosterone levels for a woman. The trans athletes in women’s sport is an entirely different argument to this one. And her performances have never been outliers. No one had an issue fighting her last Olympics. The Italian acted like a child.
Based on what we already know, there is a 95%+ chance that this athlete has 5ARD. So Khelif doesn't have 'women's genitalia', he has a malformed/inverted penis that superficially looks/looked like a vagina at birth to an untrained eye. Women with PCOS have higher testosterone than normal but still don't even enter the lower threshold for normal male testosterone because that would require testes. Testes that Khelif has, because he is male.
The thread title calling this boxer biological male is wrong. This person was assigned female at birth- she is not trans. She has women’s genitalia one can assume from being assigned female in Algeria.
We dont know if XY or XX, that’s being reported as XY but the source isn’t valid. All we know of failed a gender test. that could be too high a threshold level of endogenous testosterone from enzyme/hormone issues- even PCOS can push a females testosterone higher than normal testosterone levels for a woman. The trans athletes in women’s sport is an entirely different argument to this one. And her performances have never been outliers. No one had an issue fighting her last Olympics. The Italian acted like a child.
Stop spreading misinformation, we know more than you claim. The IBA who conducted the tests have already come out and stated the tests they failed WERE NOT testosterone tests. Here's the quote from their own webpage: Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.
And before people complain about the IBA, it further it says:
Imane Khelif initially appealed the decision to CAS but withdrew the appeal during the process, also making the IBA decision legally binding.
