He’s allowed to be disappointed in the outcome even if the outcome is defined. The time standard is objective but the world ranking is subjective. He beat Graham, Teare, Hocker at the trials as well as beating Nico at NCAAs. Completely likely he could have gotten a high enough world ranking.
I keep hearing people saying the world ranking is subjective. I don't think you guys know what subjective means. Nobody's judging athlete's performances. It's a completely transparent ranking system, with a table for points based on your time plus additional performance points for placing in highly competitive meets. The performance points system is also completely transparent and based on specific criteria for meet competitiveness. And if you want to bypass all of the uncertainty of whether someone else will run faster and bump you off the list, you can simply run a really fast time. Nine other Americans chose this route.
Agree.
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.
1) Run the qualifying time
or
2) Gather up points
and
3) Place Top 3 at the trials
Surprise...YOU'RE AN OLYMPIAN.
Of course, PW is disappointed, and he should be, and this should motivate him to train his A$$ off the next 4 years and make the team in 2028. The U.S. Oly track and field trials are not for the faint of heart. It's a cut-throat- Do or Die meet. The easy part is qualifying for the trials, the hard part is the days leading up to the race and trying to sleep the night before the final (if you made it). The ultimate pressure cooker!
He’s allowed to be disappointed in the outcome even if the outcome is defined. The time standard is objective but the world ranking is subjective. He beat Graham, Teare, Hocker at the trials as well as beating Nico at NCAAs. Completely likely he could have gotten a high enough world ranking.
I keep hearing people saying the world ranking is subjective. I don't think you guys know what subjective means. Nobody's judging athlete's performances. It's a completely transparent ranking system, with a table for points based on your time plus additional performance points for placing in highly competitive meets. The performance points system is also completely transparent and based on specific criteria for meet competitiveness. And if you want to bypass all of the uncertainty of whether someone else will run faster and bump you off the list, you can simply run a really fast time. Nine other Americans chose this route.
I don't agree with this. Sometimes, the scoring system makes little to no sense, with meets considered "highly competitive" having much worse competition than others which get very few points.
A great example is the Jager thing from this year. He gamed the system by running in the NACAC in 2022, a month after the world championships, which featured horrible competition in events 800 and up. He won by almost ten seconds in a time that was still slower than what James Corrigan ran in the prelims at this year's trials. That race earned him 1305 points due to its status as an "area championship", a category GL meet, even though the competition was poor. For context, he earned only 6 points more for his 6th place finish at the World Championships that year.
Corrigan earned only 1186 from his 3rd place finish at the US Olympic Trials, a much more "competitive" meet than the NACAC. Then he earned 1206 from his time trial in Philly, at a category F meet, a much less competitive meet, but a fast time. Rooks earned 1239 from his
win in May, a category C meet, which was, again, a much more competitive meet than the NACAC. Matthew Wilkinson earned 1272 from his 2nd place finish at the
, a category A meet, a meet far more competitive than the NACAC, but with times far slower than what Corrigan ran in Philly.
And that's ignoring the fact that it's insane that Jager was still benefiting from a score from two years ago.
I understand awarding more points in more important, world-stage competitions. But the ranking system seems so wildly imbalanced in how it measures that is and isn't "competitive", as you called it.
also just checked out Parker's insta for the first time to see what foxy was fussing about -- uh, his current story is a photo of Graham Blanks with Graham tagged that says "no one better to toe the line <3"
His OT post says:
Onward on they say… First man out of making the Olympic team after coming 3rd at Trials is a different kind of hurt. But we had a great season and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. We have so much more to come. Fuel for the fire
This 20yo college kid is more mature than the OP, sheesh. What is this thread doing up, Rojo?
Totally true, the point was simply should have happened 5 days ago….
I completely understand Parker being disappointed not to qualify for the Olympics, but the fact he seems to be stoking the flames of the “Parker was robbed” crowd (never congratulating Blanks, continually posting pics of himself finishing 3rd at Trials) is not a good look. He of all people knows he didn’t hit the time or ranking standards and that is not Blanks’ (or even USATF’s) fault he isn’t going - yet he’s posting pity songs for himself on IG. I guess that’s all OK, but hard to believe he won’t look back on this with the benefit of time and regret his reaction.
He’s allowed to be disappointed in the outcome even if the outcome is defined. The time standard is objective but the world ranking is subjective. He beat Graham, Teare, Hocker at the trials as well as beating Nico at NCAAs. Completely likely he could have gotten a high enough world ranking.
The world rank isn't subjective. it's based on objective (but convoluted) criteria.
Wolfe's 5000m races this indoor-outdoor were BU in December, NCAA Indoors, Wake Forest Invitational, ACCs, NCAA Regionals, NCAA Outdoors, and the Trials. He knew he didn't have the standard, and that was the racing schedule he chose. I wish qualifying was more simple, but it is what it is, and he clearly didn't plan his season with being eligible for Olympics selection in mind.
He's only 20 years old. In 4/8/12 years he'll approach his season differently (although might never have as great of a Trials!)
Can we please stop all of this? How do you know Parker didn’t congratulate Graham. They are friends. He has a right to be disappointed and not Grahams fault. I think in the interview Blanks did a great job of expressing sympathy towards the situation and saying that all he can do is the go to Paris to represent the USA and hurt for us all.
They were embracing after final. I was there. Thought both were classy competitors.
I’m simply saying the WA system is subjective and arbitrary.
I know this point has been rehashed umpteen times on this thread, but I'll take one more crack at it..
A subjective qualifying system would mean that there's a judgment call involved somewhere, where reasonable people might disagree about who has best fulfilled the requirements. Australia, for example, has subjective team selection rules, which is why there was such an outcry about the women's marathon team.
The World Athletics system may be arbitrary (I mean... time standards are always somewhat arbitrary). But it's not subjective. There is a clear set of rules that dictate exactly who does and doesn't qualify, with no room for alternative interpretations.
Some posters have argued that the meet classifications and placing points are subjective. This is true to an extent. But the key point is that these classifications are determined IN ADVANCE. They don't run the race and then say, "Wow, that was a great race, 100 placing points for you!" (Or, more to the point, "Wow, that was an okay race, but the meet director is well connected so we'll award you 100 placing points.") Whatever mix of factors determines the classification of each meet, the information is known in advance. All athletes have equal information about where placing points are available, and can make their racing plans accordingly.
One exception to that rule, to be fair, is if there are placing points available (e.g. at a Diamond League meet) but you don't have enough pull to get invited. That's a legitimate and longstanding problem, even before the World Rankings were introduced, though you'd hope that anyone with a legitimate chance of picking up placing points would be accepted in these meets.
Anyway, the bottom line with respect to Blanks and Wolfe is that there was nothing subjective about the team selection. Nobody "picked" Blanks over Wolfe. There was a clearly stated set of selection rules that dictated that Blanks had to be selected and Wolfe couldn't be selected. Any other outcome would truly have been subjective.
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