Well, the Brojos think making baseless doping accusations against 15 year old children is perfectly fine, so I doubt if they have any problems with that.
Crazy to think this thread already shows up on the first page of Google results for a child's name and it doesn't concern the Brojos or their virtuous moderators what is said in it. Surely it's only a matter of time before they get sued by a young athlete's parents?
Relax. That term doesn't mean what you think it means.
Take a chill pill (of course I don't mean you should physically swallow a pill)
TO: nickiB
"That term [MF] doesn't mean what you think it means."
Then go ahead and write it out. This entire thread should be deleted. What is wrong with you people???
Freshmen are age 14, nearly 15 ... he'll be 18, nearly 19 as a "senior". He was held back a year. Age group record, yes. Class record no.
There has to be some way to stop parents from abusing their kids and holding them back in the hope they get an athletic advantage. My suggestion is to force the athlete to compete as a member of the appropriate class group, in his case as a Sophomore. As 18-year-old 12th grader he cannot compete for his school. He could run in adult events without penalty, but no longer setting HS records.
His birthday is in Dec you dork 12/19/08).
So the only real fact we can debate here is as far as "middle school" categories, awards, bests, etc all things are not equal.
In different places, you are legit different ages for your grade. So some kids have an unfair advantage, because they are older.
Some kids running these middle school races the weekend are in the 11-12 USATF age group, some are in 15-16. Fair fight? Hardly.
Now, the kid in question, technically by AAU-USATF age verified rules and categories, he turns 16 this year, he's competing as a 16 year old all year. Next year he's considered 17. On January 1.
In some places in America, this would put him ahead an entire grade. Some places not.
Does anyone know if this is his first year of running? Did he run in junior high? It's an amazing time, but if it's his first year of running that's out of this world.
His father was a 1:51-1:52 guy in HS about 30 years ago, so Cooper has some great genetics.
Relax. That term doesn't mean what you think it means.
Take a chill pill (of course I don't mean you should physically swallow a pill)
TO: nickiB
"That term [MF] doesn't mean what you think it means."
Then go ahead and write it out. This entire thread should be deleted. What is wrong with you people???
Language is constantly evolving and words can have more than one meaning. If you're too old to understand how MF is used these days then you're probably too old to be talking about a 15 year old.
We are increasingly seeing teenagers running times that were once only considered possible for athletes in their prime. I remember the rise of Jim Ryun, who started running world class times at 17 and 18, and setting world records at 19. He was, however physically mature in his late teens and he never ran any faster than when he was 20.
But now we are seeing runners in their mid teens running world class times - and what is even harder to get your head around is that they are doing it on unexceptional training, that wouldn't have been out of place in the '40's or '50's. 25-30 mpw, or 50mpw - and so on. It is a very recent phenomenon, in the last few years, and raises the question why didn't we see this earlier in the sport when there is no apparent magic formula that explains it?
You can order steroids online. This is a fact and isn’t disputed. You can also go to steroid source forums (Reddit. Which then links to others - eroids.net is one) and buy even more - HGH, other peptides, SARMS; few, though not zero, have EPO as well).
And from people I knew in HS about 5 years ago, even non athletes would occasionally take steroids because of girls. They either got it from a guy at the gym or ordered online - and again, because it’s not exactly public, they only had to pay in bitcoin, no ID required
He’s more than 50% clean in my opinion but he looks developed - like Cade Flatt
Does anyone know if this is his first year of running? Did he run in junior high? It's an amazing time, but if it's his first year of running that's out of this world.
It was his first race ever. Yeah, only on the team for a week I heard. Tan like 2.5 miles total ever from soccer. He’s good for like 1:42 in 2025 mark my words
So the only real fact we can debate here is as far as "middle school" categories, awards, bests, etc all things are not equal.
In different places, you are legit different ages for your grade. So some kids have an unfair advantage, because they are older.
Some kids running these middle school races the weekend are in the 11-12 USATF age group, some are in 15-16. Fair fight? Hardly.
Now, the kid in question, technically by AAU-USATF age verified rules and categories, he turns 16 this year, he's competing as a 16 year old all year. Next year he's considered 17. On January 1.
In some places in America, this would put him ahead an entire grade. Some places not.
Dont kill the messenger. I don't make the rules.
Yes. Dec born kids are extremely disadvantaged in many sports. 12/19/08, if true, is in the totally normal range for a kid going into 10th grade.
But consider this: You're turn lets say 12 in late Dec and are racing indoor track, at a meet first week of Jan. Well a few days from being 11, you are running against some 14 yo's because you are now 13/14. Even though you were 11 a week or 2 ago. Good Luck!
"That term [MF] doesn't mean what you think it means."
Then go ahead and write it out. This entire thread should be deleted. What is wrong with you people???
Language is constantly evolving and words can have more than one meaning. If you're too old to understand how MF is used these days then you're probably too old to be talking about a 15 year old.
Relax. Go mow your lawn or something...
Yet, you didn't spell it out. Care to explain why not?
Does anyone know if this is his first year of running? Did he run in junior high? It's an amazing time, but if it's his first year of running that's out of this world.
It was his first race ever. Yeah, only on the team for a week I heard. Tan like 2.5 miles total ever from soccer. He’s good for like 1:42 in 2025 mark my words
massive talent, yes. but max burgin still ran (a tiny bit) faster at 15 and also holds the 18 year old age group record, and he is still no world beater. its rare to see child prodigy’s actually make it (except jakob)
I figured a Kenyan would have run1:45-1:46 at 15. I hope Lutkenhaus qualifies for the OTs with this performance - I’m sure the pros could pull him to a 1:46.xx
Language is constantly evolving and words can have more than one meaning. If you're too old to understand how MF is used these days then you're probably too old to be talking about a 15 year old.
Relax. Go mow your lawn or something...
Yet, you didn't spell it out. Care to explain why not?
I didn't know what he looked like so I watched the whole race trying to pick out who he was, and when he crossed the line I was so shocked that I thought I may have been watching the wrong race (they also just said "Hilby!" the whole last 100m). That was awesome
I think Brandon Miller ran 1:49 as a freshman and then stagnated till college. Hopefully Lutkenhaus stays healthy and progresses smoothly, because that 1:46 could get obliterated in the next few (3!!!) years.
When I first heard about this runner I was extremely impressed. I live in the same city where there is another gifted young runner who recently ran 3:50 for a mile a 17 so have witnessed what young runners can do.
I would imagine that Cooper has a very knowledgeable coach who hopefully has big picture thinking. If he continues to progress he should be ready for the 2028 Olympics in LA.
Staying injury free, progressive sound training and staying motivated are the keys to long term success. I currently coach a fairly gifted 15 year old but what Cooper is doing is incredible. Good luck to him.
When I first heard about this runner I was extremely impressed. I live in the same city where there is another gifted young runner who recently ran 3:50 for a mile a 17 so have witnessed what young runners can do.
I would imagine that Cooper has a very knowledgeable coach who hopefully has big picture thinking. If he continues to progress he should be ready for the 2028 Olympics in LA.
Staying injury free, progressive sound training and staying motivated are the keys to long term success. I currently coach a fairly gifted 15 year old but what Cooper is doing is incredible. Good luck to him.
25mpw for only one year in the sport is obviously the key.
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