People have always existed who didn't follow gender norms, and some societies made room for then, but there is no proof that any society actually believed that a man could turn into a woman.
That's right. These people have always existed, but they were "othered" in a safe inclusive manner in some societies.
These societies, however, did not accept that men were suddenly women. There were special names and special roles, but men were not accepted as women because no man can ever be a woman despite what polite society and legal fiction impose.
That's right. These people have always existed, but they were "othered" in a safe inclusive manner in some societies.
These societies, however, did not accept that men were suddenly women. There were special names and special roles, but men were not accepted as women because no man can ever be a woman despite what polite society and legal fiction impose.
Like Pat from SNL in the old days.
Everyone just politely was like, whatever, nobody talked about it, everyone just lived their lives.
Nobody turned the world upside down to specially accommodate them.
Now, we're changing science, grammar, and societal norms for a fringe group?
I'm really dissapointed with you Arm, I expected a final spurt to 30000, but now you are afraid of the goal?
But don't worry, your 50+ stalkers will follow you anyhow.
Why have you written exactly the same around 10000 times?
You might ask yourself why you ask the same question around 10000 times. I'm waiting to see if you have anything to post that isn't a response to any comment from me. Nah.
I have asked you this just once (1). Maybe you think the zeros in 10000 don't have any meaning? But you are wrong also here. But you would fail to understand even when it's explained to you 10 times so I don't even start.
That's right. These people have always existed, but they were "othered" in a safe inclusive manner in some societies.
These societies, however, did not accept that men were suddenly women. There were special names and special roles, but men were not accepted as women because no man can ever be a woman despite what polite society and legal fiction impose.
The poster(s) whose incorrect claims we were correcting were disputing the perennial existence of trans and nonbinary conditions claiming instead that they were modern inventions. They are not. They existed and were accepted as just who they innately are, not deluded or dishonest or somehow “fixable”.
“Men are not accepted as women” is subjective and context-dependent, so it is shifting the premise. It’s fair to say, for example, that the interpretation of the constitution’s protection against sex discrimination extends to gender is modern.
That's right. These people have always existed, but they were "othered" in a safe inclusive manner in some societies.
These societies, however, did not accept that men were suddenly women. There were special names and special roles, but men were not accepted as women because no man can ever be a woman despite what polite society and legal fiction impose.
The poster(s) whose incorrect claims we were correcting were disputing the perennial existence of trans and nonbinary conditions claiming instead that they were modern inventions. They are not. They existed and were accepted as just who they innately are, not deluded or dishonest or somehow “fixable”.
“Men are not accepted as women” is subjective and context-dependent, so it is shifting the premise. It’s fair to say, for example, that the interpretation of the constitution’s protection against sex discrimination extends to gender is modern.
I still want to know why we are turning the rules of the world upside down for these people.
I feel like an 80 year old women most days, so can I say I am an 80 year old woman and go steal age group awards from old ladies?
No, because thats messed up. Just like this nonsense that people are bending over to over accommodate boys in need of attention.
People have always existed who didn't follow gender norms, and some societies made room for then, but there is no proof that any society actually believed that a man could turn into a woman.
It doesn't exist. Bad argument regardless.
You are still misunderstanding the difference between male/female (a biological determination) and man/woman (an ever-changing social construct).
Males cannot become fully female because one cannot change their chromosome.
Men and woman are social constructs and biological male can be a woman and vice-versa.
You might ask yourself why you ask the same question around 10000 times. I'm waiting to see if you have anything to post that isn't a response to any comment from me. Nah.
I have asked you this just once (1). Maybe you think the zeros in 10000 don't have any meaning? But you are wrong also here. But you would fail to understand even when it's explained to you 10 times so I don't even start.
You have nothing to say on the subject of the thread - ever. Just a whining noise in response to my posts.
The poster(s) whose incorrect claims we were correcting were disputing the perennial existence of trans and nonbinary conditions claiming instead that they were modern inventions. They are not. They existed and were accepted as just who they innately are, not deluded or dishonest or somehow “fixable”.
“Men are not accepted as women” is subjective and context-dependent, so it is shifting the premise. It’s fair to say, for example, that the interpretation of the constitution’s protection against sex discrimination extends to gender is modern.
I still want to know why we are turning the rules of the world upside down for these people.
I feel like an 80 year old women most days, so can I say I am an 80 year old woman and go steal age group awards from old ladies?
No, because thats messed up. Just like this nonsense that people are bending over to over accommodate boys in need of attention.
No one is "turning the rules of the world upside down." People are asking for their basic human rights to be acknowledged.
If you "feel" like you are an 80 year old woman, then--by all means--live your life as a woman. It is no one's business but yours how you express your identity.