Another transgender state champion in the girl's 400m. This time in Washington.

trackfangirl wrote:

When I first heard about this trans issue and its reported threat to women’s athletics, I did some research, well a bunch of research. As an academician and former army officer, I rarely take face value to what people say until I have done my own research.
Especially in a topic like this, where these people have become the focal point of so many politicians:

Link:abcnews.go.com/US/record-number-anti-l...

I was surprised to find out that trans people were authorized to compete in their reported gender since 2004. WOW, that’s 20 years ago. It made me wonder, if there was going
to be this domination would not 20 years be a significant period of time to
test that assertion: .
Seb Coe put a stop to it in 2022. But my research revealed the following:
Trans people were since 2004 able to compete in track and field in the Olympics ---- 5 Olympic games, 7 World Championships, Diamond League Meets at least 15 per year every year, National events, etc. In each world championship and Olympics there are a combined 22 track and Field events for women.

Link:edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/05/17/olymp...

Given that aforementioned event totals, where track and Field athletes make money to earn a living, one would think that trans women who were able to compete in all the above would have cleaned up when competing against biological women.

The research team at LetsRun can confirm this but in those years from 2004 until 2022, not one trans person ever won a gold, silver, or bronze in any event. In fact, not one trans female ever even made a semi final or final in any track and field event in those 18 years.
It was a severe challenge for me to find even one trans female who was even
good enough to qualify for any event by way of times or national placing in
their team and I found none. This approval for competition included
road racing, marathons and again I could not find one trans woman placing in
any event.

I did find one trans woman who was “good enough” of a runner to qualify for the 2020 Olympic trials in America. Her name was Megan Youngren.

One may ask if she was competing to overtake Molly Seidel or the other two women who made our Olympic Team, well no. She wasn’t even competitive and finished near the back in 230th place.

I came to a quick conclusion based on 18 years in this experiment that there were/are no world class trans women on planet earth. So why would this be, if trans women are so superior and a supposed threat to women’s sports. Why have they never won or placed or were even respectable.

I have no answer, but I did find out the genesis of this trans hysteria in the US and how
that impacted Seb Coe’s decision. While there are no trans distance runners or field event participants who can compete with women, in Swimming this trans college swimmer Lia Thomas, did win two NCAA college champions races and tied for 5th in another.

Based on this one swimmer and this one college meet in the US, the world swimming authority banned all trans athletes ()

Link:apnews.com/article/transgender-swimmer...

Seb Coe saw this and even though there are no trans world class track and field athletes in any discipline, he also banned all trans people who he said were a threat to women although he knew there was no evidence of this ever in Track and Field

Link:www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/world...

My only question when doing all this research is how do you ban something that doesn’t exist? But then it struck that this was a convenient subterfuge. Trans people were not really the target, because there were none in track and field athletics. The real target were these so-called DSD Women Athletes (),

Link:run.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing...

Unlike Trans people, these DSD athletes women, like past champions Maria Mutula have won events and in at the Tokyo Olympics, for example, Christine Mboma, 18, of
Namibia won the silver medal in the 200 meters and Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi was the silver medalist in the 800 meters in Rio, but was ineligible to compete in the event in Tokyo but did run the 5,000 and ran well those she was disqualified for stepping on the
infield I think. However, she was an incredible distance runner and came close or maybe even broke the women’s two-mile record in 2021.

In 2021 she was winning races and so happy, her smile so bright and infectious, competing with the best, but with the stroke of a pen her career was over. These women I believe were the real reason for Seb Coe’s order, but he had to include trans people for public
consumption. After all every DSD athlete was from Africa, typically some poor country in Africa and their track winnings was to provide a living for them and to uplift their families who were living in poverty

Link:www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/27/...

So trans women cannot compete above the college level and there are very few in college, but the ire of those who have a certain hatred towards trans people are now high school kids and the few trans girls competing in college.

The comments here are about hate not facts but many are just about hate!

Back in 2004 when trans women were authorized to compete there comments in this section about some trans person breaking the 4 minute barrier in the mile. That was 20 years ago......................... still waiting!

GD wrote:

I see what you're saying, but you really don't understand. It really is true that "wokeness," which I will define as a fusion of postmodern and critical theories, has percolated through academia since the 1960s, creating a lot of the strange cultural phenomena we see today in the culture wars.

This is significant because these theories have led actual credentialed scientists and medical professionals to adopt the anti-scientific belief that sex is mostly a social convention and not an objective fact that exists independent of culture. Female athletes cannot band together to stop the encroachment of males if females are not recognized as a distinct class of humans in law and culture, or if young females are taught that femaleness is a White, cis-heteropatriarchal norm.

In short, the very existence of natural females is increasingly rejected by the institutions responsible for regulating sport at all levels. "Wokeness," as I've said before is not a left/right phenomenon. It's a quasi-religious, anti-liberal doctrine that has slowly gained ground because it appeals to the egalitarian, post-Christian elites (descendents of Puritans and Quakers) who created and populate our knowledge-making institutions.

Truth is no longer thought to be public or, in many instances, self-evident. It's imposed from above by those who want to signal their status and virtue by asserting bizarre dogmas, such as the belief that the West made up the concept of biological sex. Unless people confront this nonsense and label it for what it is, it will simply continue.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

d) should be determined by the governing body of each sport. (IOC has given up the idea of having one rule for everyone.) World Athletics, among other organizations, has already come up with a reasonable compromise that most rational people could agree. It's up to each country's federation (like USATF) whether to implement the same policy in their domestic meets. (WA does not have any jurisdiction over this.)

NCAA says the policy of the national governing body of each sport should be the policy for each sport. So USATF also has control over NCAA competition.

High school sports are governed by each state's HS Sports Association. It's up to them whether they implement the same policy or not. WA, NCAA or even NHSF does not have any jurisdiction over this. It could be like NCAA that each sport has its own policy. Or they could have one policy for all sports.

In any case, both the federal government and the state governments should stay out of this. In politics, there is a tendency to appeal to simplicity. And that is likely to result in a rule that cannot stand legal challenges.

If the HS sports associations want to avoid some extreme measure imposed on them by either the state or the federal government, then they should come up with some policy that would prevent the most egregious cases. "You can compete in the girls' division simply by declaring you identify as a girl" does not make sense to most people.

trackfangirl wrote:

This Trans Feed that comes up is 100% more about hate than FACTS. Throughout history when a powerless minority is attacked the people who attack them spit verbal assaults and sometimes physical assaults and propaganda with zero facts.

Lets finally spit some FACTS about this issue once and for all!

When I first heard about this trans issue and its reported threat to women’s athletics, I did some research, well a bunch of research. As an academician and former army officer, I rarely take face value to what people say until I have done my own research.

Especially in a topic like this, where these people have become the focal point of so many politicians:

Link:abcnews.go.com/US/record-number-anti-l...

I was surprised to find out that trans people were authorized to compete in their reported gender since 2004. WOW, that’s 20 years ago. It made me wonder, if there was going
to be this domination would not 20 years be a significant period of time to
test that assertion: .
Seb Coe put a stop to it in 2022. But my research revealed the following:

Link:edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/05/17/olymp...

Trans people were since 2004 able to compete in track and field in the Olympics ---- 5 Olympic games, 7 World Championships, Diamond League Meets at least 15 per year every year, National events, etc. In each world championship and Olympics there are a combined 22 track and Field events for women.

Given that aforementioned event totals, where track and Field athletes make money to earn a living, one would think that trans women who were able to compete in all the above would have cleaned up when competing against biological women.

The research team at LetsRun can confirm this but in those years from 2004 until 2022, not one trans person ever won a gold, silver, or bronze in any event. In fact, not one trans female ever even made a semi final or final in any track and field event in those 18 years.

It was a severe challenge for me to find even one trans female who was even
good enough to qualify for any event by way of times or national placing in
their team and I found none.

This approval for competition included road racing, marathons and again I could not find one trans woman placing in any event.

I did find one trans woman who was “good enough” of a runner to qualify for the 2020 Olympic trials in America. Her name was Megan Youngren.

One may ask if she was competing to overtake Molly Seidel or the other two women who made our Olympic Team, well no. She wasn’t even competitive and finished near the back in 230th place.

I came to a quick conclusion based on 18 years in this experiment that there were/are no world class trans women on planet earth. So why would this be, if trans women are so superior and a supposed threat to women’s sports. Why have they never won or placed or were even respectable.

I have no answer, but I did find out the genesis of this trans hysteria in the US and how
that impacted Seb Coe’s decision. While there are no trans distance runners or field event participants who can compete with women, in Swimming this trans college swimmer Lia Thomas, did win two NCAA college champions races and tied for 5th in another.

Based on this one swimmer and this one college meet in the US, the world swimming authority banned all trans athletes ()
Seb Coe saw this and even though there are no trans world class track and field athletes in any discipline, he also banned all trans people who he said were a threat to women although he knew there was no evidence of this ever in Track and Field

Link:apnews.com/article/transgender-swimmer...

Link:www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/world...

My only question when doing all this research is how do you ban something that doesn’t exist? But then it struck that this was a convenient subterfuge. Trans people were not really the target, because there were none in track and field athletics.

The real target were these so-called DSD Women Athletes (),

Link:run.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing...

Unlike Trans people, these DSD athletes women, like past champions Maria Mutula have won events and in at the Tokyo Olympics, for example, Christine Mboma, 18, of
Namibia won the silver medal in the 200 meters and Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi was the silver medalist in the 800 meters in Rio, but was ineligible to compete in the event in Tokyo but did run the 5,000 and ran well those she was disqualified for stepping on the
infield I think. However, she was an incredible distance runner and came close or maybe even broke the women’s two-mile record in 2021.

In 2021 she was winning races and so happy, her smile so bright and infectious, competing with the best, but with the stroke of a pen her career was over. These women I believe were the real reason for Seb Coe’s order, but he had to include trans people for public
consumption. After all every DSD athlete was from Africa, typically some poor country in Africa and their track winnings was to provide a living for them and to uplift their families who were living in poverty

Link:www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/27/...

So trans women cannot compete above the college level and there are very few in college, but the ire of those who have a certain hatred towards trans people are now high school kids and the few trans girls competing in college.

The comments here are about hate not facts but many are just about hate!

Back in 2004 when trans women were authorized to compete there comments in this section about some trans person breaking the 4 minute barrier in the mile. That was 20 years ago......................... still waiting!

The only threat here is not to women's sports, if there was a threat it would have happened with 18 - 20 years of hard evidence, the threat is someone adult physically harming one of these children!

quickle wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

d) should be determined by the governing body of each sport. (IOC has given up the idea of having one rule for everyone.) World Athletics, among other organizations, has already come up with a reasonable compromise that most rational people could agree. It's up to each country's federation (like USATF) whether to implement the same policy in their domestic meets. (WA does not have any jurisdiction over this.)

NCAA says the policy of the national governing body of each sport should be the policy for each sport. So USATF also has control over NCAA competition.

High school sports are governed by each state's HS Sports Association. It's up to them whether they implement the same policy or not. WA, NCAA or even NHSF does not have any jurisdiction over this. It could be like NCAA that each sport has its own policy. Or they could have one policy for all sports.

In any case, both the federal government and the state governments should stay out of this. In politics, there is a tendency to appeal to simplicity. And that is likely to result in a rule that cannot stand legal challenges.

If the HS sports associations want to avoid some extreme measure imposed on them by either the state or the federal government, then they should come up with some policy that would prevent the most egregious cases. "You can compete in the girls' division simply by declaring you identify as a girl" does not make sense to most people.

What? No. A rule banning a trans woman from ever being able to compete professionally is not something many reasonable people will agree with.

trackfangirl wrote:

This Trans Feed that comes up is 100% more about hate than FACTS. Throughout history when a powerless minority is attacked the people who attack them spit verbal assaults and sometimes physical assaults and propaganda with zero facts.

Lets finally spit some FACTS about this issue once and for all!

When I first heard about this trans issue and its reported threat to women’s athletics, I did some research, well a bunch of research. As an academician and former army officer, I rarely take face value to what people say until I have done my own research.

Especially in a topic like this, where these people have become the focal point of so many politicians:

Link:abcnews.go.com/US/record-number-anti-l...

I was surprised to find out that trans people were authorized to compete in their reported gender since 2004. WOW, that’s 20 years ago. It made me wonder, if there was going
to be this domination would not 20 years be a significant period of time to
test that assertion: .
Seb Coe put a stop to it in 2022. But my research revealed the following:

Link:edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/05/17/olymp...

Trans people were since 2004 able to compete in track and field in the Olympics ---- 5 Olympic games, 7 World Championships, Diamond League Meets at least 15 per year every year, National events, etc. In each world championship and Olympics there are a combined 22 track and Field events for no women.

Given that aforementioned event totals, where track and Field athletes make money to earn a living, one would think that trans women who were able to compete in all the above would have cleaned up when competing against biological women.

The research team at LetsRun can confirm this but in those years from 2004 until 2022, not one trans person ever won a gold, silver, or bronze in any event. In fact, not one trans female ever even made a semi final or final in any track and field event in those 18 years.

It was a severe challenge for me to find even one trans female who was even
good enough to qualify for any event by way of times or national placing in
their team and I found none.

This approval for competition included road racing, marathons and again I could not find one trans woman placing in any event.

I did find one trans woman who was “good enough” of a runner to qualify for the 2020 Olympic trials in America. Her name was Megan Youngren.

One may ask if she was competing to overtake Molly Seidel or the other two women who made our Olympic Team, well no. She wasn’t even competitive and finished near the back in 230th place.

I came to a quick conclusion based on 18 years in this experiment that there were/are no world class trans women on planet earth. So why would this be, if trans women are so superior and a supposed threat to women’s sports. Why have they never won or placed or were even respectable.

I have no answer, but I did find out the genesis of this trans hysteria in the US and how
that impacted Seb Coe’s decision. While there are no trans distance runners or field event participants who can compete with women, in Swimming this trans college swimmer Lia Thomas, did win two NCAA college champions races and tied for 5th in another.

Based on this one swimmer and this one college meet in the US, the world swimming authority banned all trans athletes ()
Seb Coe saw this and even though there are no trans world class track and field athletes in any discipline, he also banned all trans people who he said were a threat to women although he knew there was no evidence of this ever in Track and Field

Link:apnews.com/article/transgender-swimmer...

Link:www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/world...

My only question when doing all this research is how do you ban something that doesn’t exist? But then it struck that this was a convenient subterfuge. Trans people were not really the target, because there were none in track and field athletics.

The real target were these so-called DSD Women Athletes (),

Link:run.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing...

Unlike Trans people, these DSD athletes women, like past champions Maria Mutula have won events and in at the Tokyo Olympics, for example, Christine Mboma, 18, of
Namibia won the silver medal in the 200 meters and Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi was the silver medalist in the 800 meters in Rio, but was ineligible to compete in the event in Tokyo but did run the 5,000 and ran well those she was disqualified for stepping on the
infield I think. However, she was an incredible distance runner and came close or maybe even broke the women’s two-mile record in 2021.

In 2021 she was winning races and so happy, her smile so bright and infectious, competing with the best, but with the stroke of a pen her career was over. These women I believe were the real reason for Seb Coe’s order, but he had to include trans people for public
consumption. After all every DSD athlete was from Africa, typically some poor country in Africa and their track winnings was to provide a living for them and to uplift their families who were living in poverty

Link:www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/27/...

So trans women cannot compete above the college level and there are very few in college, but the ire of those who have a certain hatred towards trans people are now high school kids and the few trans girls competing in college.

The comments here are about hate not facts but many are just about hate!

Back in 2004 when trans women were authorized to compete there comments in this section about some trans person breaking the 4 minute barrier in the mile. That was 20 years ago......................... still waiting!

The only threat here is not to women's sports, if there was a threat it would have happened with 18 - 20 years of hard evidence, the threat is someone adult physically harming one of these children!