No state is going to require hormone treatments for a minor to compete in HS sports.
Many posters have suggested a third category but they didn’t think it though. What happens if one transgender athlete shows up for a tennis, or wrestling, tournament? What about team sports such as basketball and softball. Who wants to see a transgender athlete run a solo 5000m?
A third category would be a “compromise” that would offend just about everyone.
Let them run in the events as the gender they wish to identify, but in the result they score as Trans if there aren't enough for a Trans race.
It gets more complicated for events where running in a lane is required, and which is the case for every event in swimming.
For some reason, some people think it's ok if the 7th ranked male takes hormones and only ends up as the 7th ranked female.
You don't think this is okay because you don't think trans people are human beings with equal rights as yourself. If they are equal, then the 7th best sprinter deserves to be 7th best whether she competes against men or against women.
Instead, you think trans people are underclass people whose existence should be barely tolerated by people like yourself.
Of course it's the business of men. The vast majority people who've made the rules and set the eligibility standards for school sports, and sports outside of the scholastic context, are men, and have always been men.
And you should want to keep it that way because men, especially old men, are far more likely to support your position than younger women.
If young women are allowed to get in charge of their own affairs, they will allow trans women to enter too many "women's spaces."
That's why you should absolutely support old men to be firmly in charge of anything related to trans people.
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The bone of contention isn't over "trans people" in general, though. It's solely about males who identify as trans.
In fact, the bone of contention is only with some male people who identify as trans. Meaning the selfish, entitled, pushy, arrogant, intrusive, domineering and sometimes dangerous ones who are causing unfairness and safety risks by competing in female sports and intruding into female spaces - and who don't give a flying eff how this impacts the people for whom those sports and spaces were created and are meant for.
Female people who identify as trans aren't creating anywhere near the same kinds or levels of problems for boys and men that some males who identify as trans are creating for girls and women. In fact, most female people who identify as trans make a point of trying not to step on other people's toes or interfere with other people's rights to fair play, privacy and safety.
Moreover, many so-called transmen are just as adamantly against males in female sports and spaces as I am. A great many female people who have long lived as transmen are really upset by the way many male trans people are behaving today.
Of course it's the business of men. The vast majority people who've made the rules and set the eligibility standards for school sports, and sports outside of the scholastic context, are men, and have always been men.
The whole problem of males using gender identity claims to muscle in on girls' and women's sports - and spaces like locker rooms, loos, shelters, refuges, prisons - is the "business of men" because it's been created mostly by men for the benefit of others of their own sex.
Guys are being given free rein to lord it over girls and women and ride roughshod over our hard-won rights by competing in our sports, invading our loos and locker rooms, getting transferred to women's prisons where they can prey on female inmates and so on because men in powerful and influential positions - such as US President Joe Biden, Candadian PM Justin Trudeau, US Sec'y of Education Miguel Cardona, US Attorney General Merrick Garland, US Asst Sec'y of Health Rachel Levine, Illinois governor Jay Priztker, California governor Gavin Newsom, Richard Budgett of the IOC, the men in charge at the ACLU, numerous men serving as judges in the USA and Europe - have all decided that it's unfair, bigoted, cruel and unlawful to hold boys and men who claim they "feel like" and "identify as" the opposite sex to the same standards as all other males.
Yes, many women and girls say they're perfectly fine with males in female sports and spaces - and some girls and women even loudy champion this. But the world is still run mostly by men. If men in powerful, influential positions weren't on board with allowing boys and men into girls' and women's sports and spaces, it wouldn't be happening.
Ha ha ha ha hah, the irony here! A misandrist wants the cooperation of men to support her transphobia rooted in its misandry.
The people, both men and women, in positions of power and influence are almost entirely transympathetic, quite unlike the losers on this forum who derive meaning and purpose in their lives making other people’s lives more difficult for no obvious benefit to their own lives.
Of course it's the business of men. The vast majority people who've made the rules and set the eligibility standards for school sports, and sports outside of the scholastic context, are men, and have always been men.
And you should want to keep it that way because men, especially old men, are far more likely to support your position than younger women.
If young women are allowed to get in charge of their own affairs, they will allow trans women to enter too many "women's spaces."
That's why you should absolutely support old men to be firmly in charge of anything related to trans people.
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JAHJ, I find your ageism against old people offensive. You seem to be operating under the delusion that young people just by virtue of being young are automatically more tolerant and morally superior to old people - and that young people with very little life experience are more likely to be fair-minded and to know what's best than old people.
This video shows the folly of that way of thinking. I'd much rather put my trust and faith in the one wizened old man in the watch cap sitting down and scowling than in all the youngsters standing up and singing with full-throated confidence that they and their belief system are in the right:
The patriotic song from Cabaret, in the Biergarten in pre-war Nazi Germany, sung by the Arian Hitler youth. You see many young and old people getting taken ...
Since chuckle is now calling me a misandrist, I'll add that I'd much rather throw my lot in with the two gay guys seen at the beginning and end of the clip than with the all young girls and women shown supporting the Hitler youth in this scene too.
As for your comment about young women: you've made it very clear on many other threads that the only young women you have the time of day for are those who are willing to go along with your own sexist, male-supremacist views and agenda. You constantly slag off young women and girls who don't prioritize trans-identified males over females the way you do by calling them bigots, haters, transphobes and saying they're too dim-witted to know what they're talking about.
Indeed, you seem to have nothing but contempt and malice for girls and young women who disagree with you.
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I would tell them wiser individuals know more than they do, and that some women and girls shouldn't be giving up the rights of the rest of women and girls.
Thankfully, my daughters aren't that stupid, and although kind and wouldn't want to hurt anyone, they also have healthy enough self esteem to know that their feelings, fairness, and safety should matter more in girls' sports than a boy's feelings (however he chooses to identify).
A man is perfectly within his right to proclaim that he is a woman, but a woman and any one else is perfectly within their right not to see him as a woman.
He's a transwoman - part of the category of males, who for reasons really only known to him, prefers to dress and live as a woman. (Of course, "live" as a woman is problematic and sexist. sigh)
For some reason, some people think it's ok if the 7th ranked male takes hormones and only ends up as the 7th ranked female.
You don't think this is okay because you don't think trans people are human beings with equal rights as yourself. If they are equal, then the 7th best sprinter deserves to be 7th best whether she competes against men or against women.
Instead, you think trans people are underclass people whose existence should be barely tolerated by people like yourself.
Oh good grief. The hyperbole you constantly resort to really doesn't do you or your agenda any favors. It reminds me of Nikita Khrushchev banging his shoe.
Nikita Khrushchev's shoe-banging incident occurred during the 902nd Plenary Meeting of the United Nations General Assembly held in New York in 1960. During t...
Plus, you're so prone to seeing "hate" in every post that disagrees with you - and you're so quick to come back with harrumphing homilies in which you make ridiculous accusations like "you don't think trans people are human beings with equal rights as yourself" - that you completely miss the point of other people's posts half the time.
The way I read rojo's posts is that he thinks male people who have, or claim to have, trans gender identities are human beings who have, and should have, the exact same rights as he and all other males have. Which in sports means the right to compete against others of the same sex in either the male or open category. And, if they wish, to create, or campaign for others to create, a new bespoke sports category more to the liking of males who identify as trans.
When you demand that males be allowed to use gender identity claims to get into female sports, you're not promoting "equal rights" for "trans people" - you're promoting special privileges/entitlements for male people who say they identify as trans, and only those male people. Special privileges that mean an end to girls' and women's hard-won rights.
What you're advocating isn't equality and human rights - it's male supremacy and new kinds of "male privilege."
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The bone of contention isn't over "trans people" in general, though. It's solely about males who identify as trans.
In fact, the bone of contention is only with some male people who identify as trans. Meaning the selfish, entitled, pushy, arrogant, intrusive, domineering and sometimes dangerous ones who are causing unfairness and safety risks by competing in female sports and intruding into female spaces - and who don't give a flying eff how this impacts the people for whom those sports and spaces were created and are meant for.
Female people who identify as trans aren't creating anywhere near the same kinds or levels of problems for boys and men that some males who identify as trans are creating for girls and women. In fact, most female people who identify as trans make a point of trying not to step on other people's toes or interfere with other people's rights to fair play, privacy and safety.
Moreover, many so-called transmen are just as adamantly against males in female sports and spaces as I am. A great many female people who have long lived as transmen are really upset by the way many male trans people are behaving today.
Views on Restroom Policies for Transgender People, by Subgroup
So you'd definitely want men over 55 to be in charge of bathroom policy, because the majority. of women, especially women under 35, would let trans women into the women's restroom.
Tonight in Portland the continuing saga of McDaniel High’s dude running with the “girls” team (might not be only trans dude on the girls team) lowered his PR’s greatly and threatens to take individual state titles next week in both events and threaten state records set by Mia Brahe-Petersen and Josie Donelson, elite national female sprinters. The State Meet in Eugene will be the focus of the entire sports world next week due to horrifically poor leadership by the state governing organization, OSAA, which is allowing this injustice and travesty to undermine the integrity of girls sport. The IOC set rules prohibiting this for this very reason. If this stands then next year expect to see dozens of boys declaring themselves to be trans and run in the girls division, some in protest, some to exploit the moronic rule put in place by Oregon officials.
A trans dude is a biological female that turned male...so why do you have a problem with biological females racing biological females? Or have you mixed up your genders?
BTW, if rojo really thinks this is a serious problem, he should interview Max Siegel, Vin Lananna or any other board member of USATF and ask if they are enforcing the new World Athletics policy in domestic competitions.
That would be far more productive than bullying a middle school student on this website.
BTW, if rojo really thinks this is a serious problem, he should interview Max Siegel, Vin Lananna or any other board member of USATF and ask if they are enforcing the new World Athletics policy in domestic competitions.
That would be far more productive than bullying a middle school student on this website.
Lawsuit waiting to happen if only anyone actually cared about this site or thought it even worth suing.
We live in a brainwashed society. 7 page thread with literal libtards thinking men with mental issues racing women is OK.
approx 50% of the country is liberal - look at the votes for the posts - men running womens races isn't a liberal issue. I know I'm liberal. it is the very fringe who insist on asinine points and views that are so incredibly far from common sense
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