If I’m not mistaken, Beamish had to race the same number of guys and he managed to win. This guy says he’s a poor tactician, but he’s still better than beamish …..who was a better tactician and a better finisher therefore, you guessed it, a better runner
Beamish can not claim to be a great runner due to winning an outdoor 1500m race. I don't know he will even make an Olympic final this summer.
If I’m not mistaken, Beamish had to race the same number of guys and he managed to win. This guy says he’s a poor tactician, but he’s still better than beamish …..who was a better tactician and a better finisher therefore, you guessed it, a better runner
Beamish can not claim to be a great runner due to winning an outdoor 1500m race. I don't know he will even make an Olympic final this summer.
😂 the lactic again! He owns up to his tactics more prominently at least. Again though the pseudo-science in my eyes. In a tactical race it’s not all lactic as much as he’d like to believe that. I suspect Cole was in more lactic than Kessler he’s just fitter and has that speed/finish ability.
As a Norwegian, I have to take issue with the clickbaity title of this story. Yes, you can pick out a single sentence where Nordås says he is better than Beamish, but it doesn't at all match the tone or intent of the story.
With respect to PR's, Narve is better than Beamish - there's a 7-second gap between them (outdoors). Narve spent more time in this interview acknowledging that he ran a tactically poor race than he claimed to be better than Beamish.
The entire story here should be, and your post title should have reflected that the organizers and WA ended up putting about 6 to many runners in a final than should have ideally been there.
Like in the long jump - where there still were rakes in the pit when the athlete landed, and in the 4x400m heats - where an official forcefully pulled the athlete of the leading team into lane 4-5, the organizers royally screwed up here.
Instead of driving readers here into being livid with Narve, you might want to drive them into being livid with the organizers?
I fully agree with you here. But the whole situation nevertheless reveals Narve’s inexperience when it comes to how media operates: Of course the journalist sews together two different sayings from Narve (too crowded / being better than Beamish), just to get a provocative hit.
Narve could have said everything he did, but been smart enough to drop the Beamish saying. But this comes with experience (I have no problems finding Beamish-sayings in the coffee club, or things from Jakob or Kerr, that one easily could criticise -this is just a side of people being honest and outspoken. Doesn’t mean at all that they can’t say a lot of valuable and balanced things as well..!
beamish is one of the most humble people i have come across in my life. sure he may say things like: im only the 4th best on my team. but he is wrong. he is a lot better than he gives himself credit for and i think pretty soon he will have the times to back up being a world indoors champion
I mostly agree with you here. But this humble thing I don’t like -sure he can be humble (he is a smart guy). But he also can stand his ground and be balanced and outspoken if he feels like (as he does sometimes in the “coffee club”…
In fairness to Nordas he's 100% right on overcrowding in distance races. It's been repeatedly commented on on these boards as elsewhere. Great W for Beamish & exciting races, but 3k's & 1500s not athlete friendly. Something that was commented upon by athletes in other events regarding this championships also. Race Director Pierce O'C obviously struggling to understand/take into consideration perspective and considerations of true middle-distance athletes.
John Landy had a cut foot in the 'mile of the century' and told no one. You either race and accept your fate or pull out. The blame thing, even if true, smacks of excuse and disrespects ones opponents.
I strongly disagree. I think outspoken athletes are a gift. But saying that it is of course quite an error not to acknowledge and congratulate Beamish…
Nordas would never been able to run to the front like Kessler did. He is to slow. As Gjert I said: It was poorly executed by Narve. Though he will be one of the medalcontenders in Paris. This time he should have given the credit to those who ran better. It was deep frustration.
So now Nordas is too slow to take over in a race run at 58-second pace with a burnup at the end. Do you guys realize how ridiculous this is for a guy who closed a worlds in 52 and has run 3:29? Maybe he is too slow to get to the front in the first 100, but he doesn't try on that front from what I've seen anyway.
In the women's race, Emily Mackay whose PB is 2:00.1 for 800 and can probably narrowly go under 2 (at best) was able to *blow by* 6 women to take the lead because she dropped a sub-30 pace surge I believe.
Narve if he so wanted could've went all the way to the front at any point from 300-1100. Get outside and inject a 13pt second 100. Sure Hobbs might resist a bit, but Keter got ahead of him several times . But you and I both know why he didn't do it. For better or for worse, he is pretty much a one-trick pony with his talk of "the lactic" and such. He is not gonna risk red-lining before the last 400 because he thinks he's gonna mow down the field late with his "superior fitness/training."
Well, this is just abstract reasoning from you. . As a former world class 1500-runner Arne Kvalheim said: He legs will just burn out if he tries to run very fast at the first 200. Narve is very slow at the first 100 and 200, even at a 400 track. A typical Narverace, in Diamond L. London last year: 58.0-57.0-54.6-40.58. Though he has been close to 57. at the first 400. In Budapest 57.09. The problem with the split times there is that Seiko was totally unreliable. 58.0 at a short track with 8-10 before you at 200, no way. Though if so he would never ever win and not even be number 5. He is working on it, but knows that it is his Achilles heel. Narve made a lot of poor decisions in Glasgow. But a very slow starter he is. This year he has to do it better for the first 800. And BTW he did not run under 53.0 at the last 400 in Budapest. He will be a strong medalcontender in Paris.
Nordaas really angry at organizer for allowing too many runners in final. Thinks it cost him the gold. Interview in Norwegian google translated:
- I run poorly tactically, but what should I do? What alternative do I have when the organizer drags 14 men into the field? It will be a treat from start to finish. There will be competition in who can stay on their feet, says Nordås to VG.
He is angry with the organiser, and believes it was far too chaotic with far too many runners on the starting line in the final. There were twice as many as in the qualification.
- It shows that those who govern are just sitting in front of a spreadsheet. They have no idea about the sport, says Nordås further.
- What do you mean?
- They put 14 men like that and like that and like that. And then there is a lot of fall, and the people behind it don't see it.
VG has not received a reply to the e-mail inquiry to race director Pierce O'Callaghan about Nordås' criticism.
The last time Norway took WC gold indoors was when Geir Moen won the 200 meters in 1995. Some might have thought there would be another Norwegian WC gold on Sunday night, but Nordås didn't quite get it. He was a disappointed man.
- I had hoped to get a medal, to win. I'm better than him who won, but then I didn't do it, says Nordås to VG.
- The good thing is that I dare to go for the gold. Unfortunately, the medal also breaks, says Nordås. He hopes there will be fewer starting in the final in the future. But he is unsure whether he will take it up with the organizer himself. - I hope the right people give notice. There are too many people, says Nordås to the press after the race.
So now Nordas is too slow to take over in a race run at 58-second pace with a burnup at the end. Do you guys realize how ridiculous this is for a guy who closed a worlds in 52 and has run 3:29? Maybe he is too slow to get to the front in the first 100, but he doesn't try on that front from what I've seen anyway.
In the women's race, Emily Mackay whose PB is 2:00.1 for 800 and can probably narrowly go under 2 (at best) was able to *blow by* 6 women to take the lead because she dropped a sub-30 pace surge I believe.
Narve if he so wanted could've went all the way to the front at any point from 300-1100. Get outside and inject a 13pt second 100. Sure Hobbs might resist a bit, but Keter got ahead of him several times . But you and I both know why he didn't do it. For better or for worse, he is pretty much a one-trick pony with his talk of "the lactic" and such. He is not gonna risk red-lining before the last 400 because he thinks he's gonna mow down the field late with his "superior fitness/training."
Well, this is just abstract reasoning from you. . As a former world class 1500-runner Arne Kvalheim said: He legs will just burn out if he tries to run very fast at the first 200. Narve is very slow at the first 100 and 200, even at a 400 track. A typical Narverace, in Diamond L. London last year: 58.0-57.0-54.6-40.58. Though he has been close to 57. at the first 400. In Budapest 57.09. The problem with the split times there is that Seiko was totally unreliable. 58.0 at a short track with 8-10 before you at 200, no way. Though if so he would never ever win and not even be number 5. He is working on it, but knows that it is his Achilles heel. Narve made a lot of poor decisions in Glasgow. But a very slow starter he is. This year he has to do it better for the first 800. And BTW he did not run under 53.0 at the last 400 in Budapest. He will be a strong medalcontender in Paris.
See the Mackay example. Why didn't he do something like that?
Nordaas really angry at organizer for allowing too many runners in final. Thinks it cost him the gold. Interview in Norwegian google translated:
- I run poorly tactically, but what should I do? What alternative do I have when the organizer drags 14 men into the field? It will be a treat from start to finish. There will be competition in who can stay on their feet, says Nordås to VG.
He is angry with the organiser, and believes it was far too chaotic with far too many runners on the starting line in the final. There were twice as many as in the qualification.
- It shows that those who govern are just sitting in front of a spreadsheet. They have no idea about the sport, says Nordås further.
- What do you mean?
- They put 14 men like that and like that and like that. And then there is a lot of fall, and the people behind it don't see it.
VG has not received a reply to the e-mail inquiry to race director Pierce O'Callaghan about Nordås' criticism.
The last time Norway took WC gold indoors was when Geir Moen won the 200 meters in 1995. Some might have thought there would be another Norwegian WC gold on Sunday night, but Nordås didn't quite get it. He was a disappointed man.
- I had hoped to get a medal, to win. I'm better than him who won, but then I didn't do it, says Nordås to VG.
- The good thing is that I dare to go for the gold. Unfortunately, the medal also breaks, says Nordås. He hopes there will be fewer starting in the final in the future. But he is unsure whether he will take it up with the organizer himself. - I hope the right people give notice. There are too many people, says Nordås to the press after the race.
If it cost him the Gold it cost everyone the Gold. But obviously that’s not the case because Beamish won the Gold. Everyone was in the same race with the same “disadvantages”. He just didn’t adapt well to the conditions like the winner did and is disgruntled.
John Landy had a cut foot in the 'mile of the century' and told no one. You either race and accept your fate or pull out. The blame thing, even if true, smacks of excuse and disrespects ones opponents.
I strongly disagree. I think outspoken athletes are a gift. But saying that it is of course quite an error not to acknowledge and congratulate Beamish…
He isn't outspoken; he simply makes excuses for losing.
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