Zach Panning in 2:05 shape? He recently did his marathon simulator workout at 4:47 mile pace

9 days before

Another poster earlier pointed out the same thing. They are comparing Malmo's 1/2 PR - and, to a lesser extent, his marathon PR - to Panning's workout. As far a Malmo's claim to have been able to very easily do it...well, I have to agree with these guys. That's ridiculous. If he regularly - or ever - did this in training, his 1/2 PR would be better than it is. And probably his PR in the full too.

Don't know why this thread devolved into Malmo claims vs. Malmo facts, but it did. Anyone who did Zach's workout every Tuesday as a warmup could have raced faster than Malmo did over similar and related distances. I'm not one of the previous posters trying to fool anybody with a different name, but it's just not really possible to argue against the guys calling out Malmo.

This is just like: "Every Newbury Park runner - and probably their janitor - could easily break Chapa's 10k record. If they bothered to time their Monday shakeout, they'd be under it." Well, they didn't ACTUALLY do it. Nico still hasn't.

Well the workout is 16 miles at a faster pace than Zach’s personal best for 13.1 miles. I don’t think it is an easy workout at all. In fact, it is really like a 16 mile race for a runner like Zach. It is ill advised. Unless he has improved substantially. The truth is that 16 miles at 4:47 pace is as good as any race that Zach has ever done.

His Budapest was better. Unless you are looking at times and not the 25 sub 2:08 guys he beat.

Beating a ton of 2:07 guys in August isn't consistent with thinking 4:47 can be marathon pace?

No it is not. Zach ran a really smart race. He did not run 2:07. Some of you have no idea but there are probably only 5-7 US runners who currently can do 16 miles at 4:47 pace in a RACE.

What do you think he could've run in Budapest under ideal (let's say Chicago this fall) conditions?

Probably a low 2:09.

So let me get this straight:

He beats a guy like Clayton Young by 2.5 minutes in Chicago in 2022, runs a 10k pb in the spring, gets 12th in the world in August, and is training at the same paces as in August. Now he's a minute slower.

Make it make sense.

Please explain the minute slower part. What are you referring to? Beating other people with faster personal bests means little.

Way too many comments before someone said this lol. Maybe Panning was as dyslexic as rojo in HS so it actually is waying less

That's 1.96 meters per heart beat and he's averaged 175bpm for a marathon. You can do the math. If the weather is similar, 60 degrees light winds, he'll be plenty fast.

no. he is in 2:09 shape. that's his pr. how is 16 miles a marathon simulator workout? try running that pace for 21 miles and then tell me all about your simulator.

no one wearing brooks will run 2:05. brooks will never spend enough dollars for that level of runner.

The Hansons don't race a ton in their marathon builds. He last raced a serious half in the fall of 2022. It was a 1:03 in warm conditions before his 2:09 @ Chicago.

He ran 2:11 & beat 25 sub-2:08 guys in Budapest on a hot/humid day. I think some of us should think about how Americans typically run American races + World Champs & would have faster PBs if they just went to the fastest races. This dude is fit & is easy to root for. Nothing should be controversial in this thread. He nailed his last big pre-race workout & hit splits very few on the start list can handle.

Can’t believe how many people are riding malmo and his statement about 16 @ 4:47 being easy when his PR is 13 @ 4:42. Because running 1 min slower than your half marathon is just another long run workout day right? This board has gone downhill clearly no one here runs or trains. Just a bunch of boomers “back in my day”

If you look at his strava for that race (Philadelphia distance run 2022), he captions it that the goal was 10 miles at MP then go. So not an all out half attempt. Also if I remember right it was in the middle of his highest mileage week with a big mileage day before. Basically the same as the simulator.
Either way, even if he didn’t run this simulator at this pace I think he’s in for a big race at the trials. Super hard working and a consistent marathoner who keeps improving, not sure why people don’t give him more credit. Also he knows how to pace a marathon. I remember his MP work was ~4:50 before Budapest and I thought he was going to go out at 2:07 pace and blow up, but he ran super even and to his potential on that day.

But as good as any longer race that Malmo ever ran too. That's the point these posters are getting at. Not necessarilly better than Malmo at 1500-5k, but compared to his half and full marathons, the workout in question is as good as any race he ever ran. It was certainly not easy for either guy, but Malmo wanted us to think he wouldn't have broken a sweat.

Actually, Malmo was the only one saying that was a casual workout that guys like him could have done any old time. Everyone else was calling him out since, as pointed out above, it is race effort for the best American runners now and certainly would have been in the '80s.