Is training at altitude useless?

Yes -- how does your electron/time-space/RF/EMF model explain that one altitude group improved (the one likely exposed to anthropogenic RF/EMF while training at lower altitude), while another got worse (the one living and training at altitude with less antrhopogenic RF/EMF), and then both groups improved on returning to sea-level, where they were again exposed to anthropogenic RF/EMF?

If your model is unable to predict and confirm ordinary and repeatable observations, then, as noble as it may be elsewhere, it can serve no purpose in a discussion forum about running. Come back to me when the work has progressed to something usable in the real world of athletic performance.

It's curious you want to disown Dr. Jill, as someone lacking knowledge and understanding, because she is the only authority you gave as confirming your allegations of potential negative impact to performance.

Not to mention the contradiction between you repeatedly holding yourself to be ultra-moral, and then me having to read your "real man" ultra-masculine attack on the intelligence of "wussies", women, and LGBTQs. Jesus preached brotherly love.

To be clear, none of your great minds, from Jesus, to Tesla, to Poynting, to Heaviside spoke of the impact of electrons and anthropogenic RF/EMF on sport performance. Have any of them even run a marathon? These great minds were possibly the kids who were no good at sports. Maybe the sports jocks would even call them "wussies" and question their masculinity and heterosexuality.

Look dear rekrunner, guys like Heaviside, Searle, Tesla, Thomson, Morton were very eccentric 'insane' guys but it was an amiable type of insanity, a welcoming and pleasant existence and not your psychotic or schizophrenic types found in mental asylums, don't you get it???

The same guys above dominated electromagnetic field theory, they were heavyweight authorities. There were no women represented in these Physics fields. Even today, 2024 there are hardly, if at all, any woman in the entire planet of this earth with a bent or predilection for invisible electromagnetic field theory pursuits and these are facts!!! I then take the liberty to interpret these facts as due to a certainty (or another fact in becoming) that women's brains are simply not frequency hardwired (naturally) nor frequency nurtured (due to gender limitations) towards such rarefied fields of knowledge and understand. Being a woman is about being a certain FREQUENCY which is a certain evolutionary predisposition or hardwiring, not so much that women are inferior to men or anything like that. Both the collective and individual frequency of consciousness and existence of women since time immemorial is somehow at odds with rarefied ingenuity, insight and enlightenment into the realm of electromagnetic field theory, and nothing about me being misogynist or anything like that!

Instead, there is something about being a man's frequency, and a real man to boot, that predisposes the finest of them all such as Tesla, Searle, Heaviside, Maxwell etc to be able to extract and access rarefied insights, knowledge and understanding into the realm of electromagnetic field theory and all its spiritual/moral/ethical implications and consequences, otherwise why are all Physics electromagnetic geniuses all men every single one of them???? There is a correct way to interpret this fact and it's the way of 'frequency' of masculinity!!!

Being a man is a frequency gift, but so it being a woman it's just that a woman's antenna frequencies are just not naturally predisposed to electromagnetic pursuits of knowledge and understanding in space-time as compared to a man. A woman's frequency can still be quite good in the realm of electromagnetic field theory but as compared to a man's frequency, especially the FINEST MEN of them all such as Tesla, Mortan, Thomson, Maxwell, Heaviside etc, is no match!

Of course, then there are certain frequencies about a woman that a man can never surpass or even sniff, such as child-rearing, child-birth, nurturing children etc. This is again not to say a man's frequency can't do a decent job at these but a woman's frequency has a better flair for such jobs. In an ideal world of course both the man and woman nurture their children simultaneously so that the child can access both masculine and feminine frequencies in one!

My electron model beats your model because the double slit diffraction demonstrated that reality is all an illusion!!!!!!!!!!! The thing you measured empirically and 'seen' with your 2 eyes changes with your measuring instrument or different eyes. There are many permutations and combinations for the hi-hi, hi-lo, or whatever, and equally many permutations and combinations of results and effects and they can all be extracted depending on measuring instrument which is a microcosm for ENVIRONMENTAL FREQUENCY, ENERGY, VIBRATION!!

This means, if you change an aspect of frequency, energy, vibration in the environment, you can one set of permutation or combination of results/effects, and if you change yet another aspect of the same you get a totally different outcome again. That's what the electron model is all about damn it, dear rekrunner!

I'm getting impatient with you, pardon me though! I have very high standards for the people I talk to! I require them to reach my level of ingenuity fast!!

One definitely flew over the cuckoo's nest. Actually two have here.

So what you are saying is that despite being the RF-king, you cannot explain the inconsistent and contradictory improvements, in terms of anthropogenic RF/EMF exposure, and you do not realize that it is very well explained by these other mundane variables you warned me to control for.

What is missing in all of your posts is how they are connected to sports performance. Your pioneers of RF/EMF may be experts in that domain, but are strangely silent about sports performance. If the slit experiment renders performance improvement an illusion, it does this for both altitude and RF/EMF. If all possible combination of outcomes support the same idea, than that idea is useless as a predictor of outcomes, and providing the explanation for that outcome, and is not really worthy of discussion.

I'll let your comments about womens' brains speak for themselves, with just an observation that a man's world tends to favor giving opportunities to men. It's often more a question of might makes right, rather than some inherent superiority.

And once again, the only authority you gave who spoke about both RF/EMF and sports performance, was a women, Dr. Jill, who you now suggests doesn't really understand RF/EMF -- not really a strong endorsement of the best authority you could provide.

If you are getting impatient -- I don't really see that as my problem. Unlike you, I have a lot of patience, and I do not have any requirements that the people I talk to to ever reach my level of ingenuity.

Are you the voice from the other side greeting him?

I see a lot of parallels between you and him -- both clinging to a strong faith that you struggle to justify with facts, evidence, and observations, and struggle to reconcile contradictions, and instead criticizing both the method, and the messenger.

LOL stop projecting, rekrunner. You are describing yourself to a T again. You also look more and more desperate while trying to argue with our hugely intellectually and morally superior RF King.

Khamis: don't get discouraged just because this intellectual dwarf aka rek troll isn't capable of following your arguments!

I'm providing top of the line knowledge and understanding to you, dear Armstrong, so I appreciate if you show some more respect for my standards. I'm not what you are imagining me to be but you probably love me more than you can understand?

Cheers :)

LOL. This is the kind of non-responsive dishonest posting I've come to expect. It's tempting to want to believe that the issue here is that I am not following an argument, but I'm wondering now if that itself isn't self-projection.

In any case, "following the argument" is a red-herring. I did not ask for an argument, but initially asked for other authorities who were arguing the connection between RF/EMF and sport performance. I was first told that in fact there is no published paper on it (although I did not ask exclusively for a published paper), and then later given a link to Dr. Jill who talked about many potential areas that could be impacted, but with nothing concrete, and then later told that Dr. Jill doesn't really understand RF/EMF anyway, because she is a woman with the wrong brain frequencies(?). And apparently all the brilliant RF/EMF authorities cannot be bothered to look at sport performance. So this ground-breaking theory is still an early work in progress, despite 100 years of research.

Besides Dr. Jill, there was nothing else that discussed the relation to sport performance, beyond a highly faithful declaration that RF/EMF causes everything, and merits the benefit of the doubt above all. It is not a question of following an argument when none was presented. Nor can I give any benefit of the doubt when I have no doubt.

Indeed, my dear friend, rekrunner like Armstrong actually loves me more than he can currently comprehend. He knows I bring game-changing knowledge and understanding to the table and destroy every single 'method' of man-made origin, including the 'scientific method' to its core.

Rekrunner doesn't know he is arguing against the very life-force of frequency and energy that make up his soul and body. He is so willfully blind about these things that he even skews the people as blindly faithful about these things. I wonder how, if he has a wife, does he achieve a state of 'love' with her? Does he model his love for her using the 'scientific method' requiring a hypothesis of her infidelity every second of her existence or affixed a video camcorder under her skin in order to empirically measure her loyalty??? Amazing isn't it??? But this is the kinda approach to science and life rekrunner recommends???

It's just so wrong on so many levels. You obviously love your wife faithfully and expect the same in return which love is governed by a love for Jesus. Jesus would be that anchor that makes FAITH WORK for both husband and wife!

Incorrect, dear rekrunner, you don't even know what constitutes anthropogenic RF and EMF, or that there are natural counter-acting benevolent forces of RF and EMF also at play. There are also an infinite number of frequencies alone inside anthropogenic RF and EMF. The electron model shows that illusion or reality is wave-like with areas of high intensity and areas of low intensity kinda like parallel universes if you wanna call it loosely. These inconsistencies and contradictions set out by the electromagnetic/electron model is precisely proof of illusion in the realm of altitude training research. This means that sports scientists are supposed to obtain contradictory and inconsistent results contrary to what the 1997 study suggests which is to say this study was flawed because its not contradictory and inconsistent enough!!!!!! LOL!!!

You see right? I told you so didn't I? I told you that I'm unperturbed about your 1997 altitude science study because it's futile and fruitless! Also from the angle of the falsifiability theorem of science, a scientific morality/ethic/philosophy, you need to assume that all previously empirically proven theories or theory of illusion must be disproven and discredited in the future even though that point has not yet come now but it's necessary to believe so in order to uphold the moral law of falsifiability! And finally, you also need to believe upon the falsifiability theorem so faithfully especially when there are corrupt and dark forces and strongholds on earth from political, economic and social realm that due to sin tend to cling tightly to the scientific status quo in exchange only for financial rewards and profits and not for the advancement of the real truth!!!! So a scientific theory that stays especially resilient or resolute to falsifying would be by default already corrupt from dark forces because such resistance protects an agenda and ulterior motive, all the time with no exception! You gotta understand what The Fall of Mankind is and means and how sin in the human soul and heart is so endemic and compelling that even scientific theories are beholden to them!!

Altitude science research is no stranger to the corrupt forces of big business and big industry! Everything about the 1997 study from the lens of the inviolable electron model is falsifiable because everything from that experiment were empirically observed and measured in SPACE AND TIME which is another way of saying the observations and measurements had to be ephemeral, fleeting, temporal, fickle, capricious hence ILLUSION!

You can do the 1997 study 1 million and 1 ways in 1million and 1 eras from BC to AD and get 1 million and 1 varying results and outcomes shaped like an undulating wave of high and low intensity just because the electron model, heir to the electromagnetic field theory, says so!

"slit experiment renders RF/EMF an illusion"????

LOL, how can an electromagnetic experiment render an electromagnetic entity an illusion? The electromagnetic slit experiment does not render an electromagnetic entity like RF and EMF an illusion because RF/EMF being an electromagnetic entity is already the HIGHEST ILLUSION, AN END OF ILLUSION, OR THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE ILLUSION AT ONCE, THE FIRST AND FINAL FRONTIER OF LIFE AND DEATH, CHARGE AND DISCHARGE RESPECTIVELY, there is no rendering a final (highest) illusion to an even more final or higher illusion!!! Pls use some brains man, dear rekrunner!!! What do you want to render RF/EMF into or from what level of illusion do you want to render RF/EMF to what level of illusion????? The electron which is RF-EMF which is electromagnetic field theory is already the dead-end, the highest illusion in all the universe!!!!!

You really worse than valjean, the biotechnologist! You need to take an elementary course in Physics Level 1 Electromagnetic Module first because I'm teaching you Level Infinity of Electromagnetic+Consciousness Module!!!!

I provided Dr Jill only to whet your appetite and pacify your stubborn 'scientific procedures'! Dr Jill is good in and of herself, but if you ask for rarefied or extreme ability at the substrate level of electromagnetic field theory, then I'm the go-to guy people look for in LRC and the whole world! There are other electromagnetic geniuses of course such as Eric Dollard, Aaron Murakami, Dr Konstantin Meyl etc, they definitely beat me and are more hardcore than I am. If you can't handle me, these guys will devour you alive, dear rekrunner. They will absolutely school you to a letter T!!! These folks are real prescient men who don't need to practice sport science to give an insight about it! They, like me, will derive an insight based off of the electron model of existence, simple as ABC for them?

Well I have worked in the telecommunications satellite industry for 36 years, so I'm no stranger to wireless communication, nor the need for RF and EMF shielding, whether it is shielded cables in data centers, or shielded rooms used for satellite testing, or for dedicated rooms constructed for reasons of government security. I also know that cells have a limited capability to repair damage that can be caused by radiation.

You misunderstand the altitude study, because there is in fact a contradiction and inconsistency that arises, but only when we hypothesize that anthropogenic RF/EMF exposure causes a predictable detrimental performance effect. That suggests that other factors are more significant (you called them variables I need to control for) for these performance observations, and any RF/EMF effect is negligible.

You've also misquoted me. What I said is "If the slit experiment renders performance improvement an illusion ...". To clarify, it is the objective empirical observation of performance that you are calling an illusion. While you use it to undermine the altitude study observations, this would apply both to the case of performance improvements allegedly due to altitude induced changes in blood and oxygen, and the case of performance improvements allegedly due to RF/EMF exposure or protection.

But in any case, the whole discussion of electron duality is nonsense, as these observations on single electrons do not apply to athletes running over an unambiguosly measured distance (within some tolerance), when the measurement instrument is a stopwatch. It is never the case that an athlete runs two or more different times at the same time. Once someone runs a 4-minute mile, it becomes, for all intents and purposes, a historical immutable fact. The "falsifiability theorem" does not suggest that in the future, it will become false that this athlete ran a 4-minute mile, and it has never happened that past results have been falsified, beyond obvious human errors such as a short course. Similarly, once a race is run, there is no ambiguity regarding the order of finishes, that evolves and changes and becomes falsifiable in the future, with just the passing of time.

And I repeat, what is missing in all of your posts is how any of this RF/EMF discussion is relevant to predicted detriment to sports performance. You are spending so much time and space and energy on RF/EMF when you have so far failed to link it to sports performance, beyond the single link to Dr. Jill, and a faithful declaration that all things RF/EMF cannot be questioned. I have no doubt that all these experts can school me on all things RF/EMF, but do they know the first thing about sports performance?

Look dear rekrunner, I know a lot of satellite guys around me and they have zero clue about electromagnetic field theory. Most of their jobscope are pretty mechanical and repetitive, it's all business and profits and nothing about understanding both the sky-high physical laws and concepts nor their moral and ethical implications on human existence.

You need a guy like Eric Dollard or Konstantine Meyl who really takes apart the electron into its constituents and tell you that the electron isn't even the smallest entity in this universe. Do you think Immarsat Satellite engineers know that the electron isn't the smallest entity in this universe?

You need to have a mind for electromagnetic field theory and being in industry or academia does not confer the kind of mind needed to excel in this field.

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While you use it to undermine the altitude study observations, this would apply both to the case of performance improvements allegedly due to altitude induced changes in blood and oxygen, and the case of performance improvements allegedly due to RF/EMF exposure or protection."

Incorrect here. The illusion is greater the greater the mass-energy concerned! Hence the illusion is greater and the data less accurate at the level of the human existence than at the level of electron existence! The bigger the more faked and falsifiable, while the smaller the LESS fake and LESS falsifiable. The electron can still be falsifiable for obvious reasons but infinitely less so than a large figure of a human being and his/her physiological indicators.

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You misunderstand the altitude study, because there is in fact a contradiction and inconsistency that arises, but only when we hypothesize that anthropogenic RF/EMF exposure causes a predictable detrimental performance effect."

No I haven't misunderstood anything, you are the one who needs to reach my higher and more noble level of Jesus-believing, Jesus sanctified, Jesus purified electromagnetic field theory ingenuity! Must I pretend to be atheist and deny God in order for me to show you brotherly love and possibly pander to your false or wrong theories and ethics?

Anthropogenic RF/EMF doesn't need any hypothesis to cause a predictable or unpredictable detrimental performance effect because even a supposedly unpredictable detrimental performance effect is an effect!!! You need to accept that you cannot demand or require either 1) an experiment using anthropogenic RF and EMF, or 2) predictable detrimental effect from such an experiment to confidently come to any conclusion that anthropogenic RF and EMF causes or is correlated with a predictable detrimental performance effect. There is no rule in any law book or science that absolutely demands these requirements to be fulfilled for any possible agent of harm to be associated, caused or correlated with its effects. Only pretentious and hypocritical courts of laws and judiciaries around the world, and atheistic men like you and Armstrong require such pretentious attention to process!!! For the final time, dear rekrunner, there is no demand in the Love of Christ and in the Cosmic Ingenuity of electricity greats Tesla, Morton and Heaviside for such highly pretentious modus operandi!

Boulder bro

You see that because you are as dense as a row of bricks. But keep raving along with your new-found soul brother.

You are obviously correct in everything again. Sadly rekrunner is literally blind to everything including doping and sexual abuse. His ongoing support of the lustful Sinner Salazar is revolting. Sad!

Inmarsat? Do they still exist?

I didn't think there were any engineers anywhere in any domain within the last 30-40 years who were still unaware of the existence of sub-atomic particles.

Can you tell me which distance running athletes Eric Dollard or Konstantine Meyl have trained?

At this point, despite your many posts, it still feels premature to talk about RF/EMF at all, as you have yet to establish any cause and effect relation to sports performance.

You've had plenty of opportunities, but all of your posts lack any discussion about sport performance, and any alleged link to RF/EMF caused effects.

Of course there are rules and guidelines and best practices before you can "come to any conclusion". You cannot "Kobayashi Maru" your way through science by changing the rules of the game.

You keep telling me all these things I need to do, but a few pages back you told me that I was in control of my destiny, and I should stop acting like you were. You are the one who should stop acting like you are.

Lol.

When you have lost, just make up lies. What is sad is that making up lies works better than it should to a public who can't really tell the difference.

Dear Armstrong, let's give rekrunner a chance to resonate all my frequencies and energies. He could convince a court of law or any Judge of the planet earth that anything less than 100% LIMITING AND CONTEXTUALIZING OBJECTIVE evidence is unacceptable or inconclusive of the truth about anything but he would never convince the King of the Universe Christ Jesus of the same hence will probably be condemned to Hellfire for such duplicity!!!!

Yes you heard that right, you may think requiring 100% limiting and contextualizing objective evidence is being responsible and dutiful in a man-made court of man-made law but guess what it's actually EQUALLY pretentious, hypocritical and morally backward in the laws of God to require and demand the same to prove the truth about anything!!! God's ways are HIGHER than man-made ways!!!

Just FYI for everyone to know, it is precisely the requirement or demand of 100% limiting and contextualizing objective evidence that sometimes, or possibly even all the time, vindicates an actual criminal of all his crime because he knows how to cover his trail in space and time and confuse his pursuers!!! That's the kind of illusion that the court and court of law this earth can be mired and depraved in. It's a bloody circus!!! And that's because objective, limiting and contextualizing evidence in space-time IS ILLUSION which is the only way to explain how an actual criminal could get away from his crimes with impunity!!! Instead, it's the subjective soul/spirit or frequency, energy, vibration of a man or the RF and EMF fields that constitute the man that overcomes the illusion and gets closer to the truth!!! It's the spiritually or soulfully intelligent detective or crime investigator that knows how to unravel even the strongest and most persuasive objective and limiting evidence against itself in order to discover the modus operandi or criminal strategy of a criminal!!! A computer or AI couldn't do that, only a spiritually gifted human being could exercise subjective discretion on the 'objective' evidence and either accept or reject its relevance in unraveling the truth of a crime.

Sorry folks, objectivity is good, but, objectivity+subjectivity is KING!!!!!!! Subjectivity of the soul/spirit is the one that reveals to a detective the overarching PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR OF ALL THE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE IN SPACE-TIME.

Look dearest rekrunner, you may have a better liking for me if you simply drop all your baggage and follow me the rest of your life! Why do you wanna argue with me if you can just follow me in brotherly love?

Didn't I already say to you how many damn times that there is no demand or requirement in this world by Scripture or by Science or any other school of thought that a good coach needs to have been a good runner himself subject to the varying meanings and definitions of 'good' in good coach and good runner respectively!!!

So why the heck are you still asking me the same damn question about whether Eric Dollard and Konstantine Meyl needs to have been runners themselves or trained runners in order to give an insight about sport performance or the susceptibility of altitude training in sport performance????

To a greater extent, why the heck are you still asking me whether it is required for there to have been sports science research in the past tense directly relating sport performance to exposure to anthropogenic RF and EMF in order for you to come to any decision or conclusion about whether the former is affected, if at all, by the latter????

Why, why, why???????????????

Which man, woman, Professor, or Rojo or otherwise taught you such nonsense?????

Which fool said that there needs to be explicit mention of anthropogenic RF and EMF affecting, if at all, sport performance in the past tense first before I, Khamis the RF King, or Eric Dollard, or Konstantine Meyl or any other persons can also say the same????

Can't we RF Kings and experts responsibly and dutifully INTERPRET already available objective or otherwise facts and discoveries surrounding anthropogenic RF and EMF and human health in the literature??

Why must we RF Kings REGURGITATE already existing research or science relating sports performance and anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure rather than INTERPRET????

Why must you, dear rekrunner, expect me a full RF King with overflowing and bursting logical and reasoning powers of deduction, induction and abduction to create, to invent, to interpret, to advance, to make way, to forge ahead, to surpass merely regurgitate and/or even plagiarize/copy researches in the past tense to humor you??????

What kind of person do you suppose I am for treating me with such disdain????

I'm even forced by you against my desire to regurgitate and vomit out some other MD Dr Jill Carnahan just so that you feel fanciful about it???? You think I can't interpret or create better than Dr Jill as RF King?