It wasn’t McKirdy. I actually reached out because that post came the next day. He said the Philly race coordinators reached out for his advice on how to handle and gave him the evidence and he gave his opinions. He actually helped “talk me off the ledge” because I was in a big depression hole Monday and Tuesday. He said with CIM coming up, he wanted to remind people since that’s the last race of the window
If you really are Ethan's coach, you know by now that it was definitely James McKirdy that reported you, and he lied to your face, and everyone elses about it.
The bigger issue is not that McKirdy reported you, or that your athlete got DQ'd, it's the fact that he lied to you about it. Stand up for the sport, and yourself, and say that McKirdy reported the infraction.
The Philadelphia Runner Track Club has all the evidence that leads to McKirdy reporting the infraction. PRTC - have some integrity for the sport, and release this information so the truth can be vindicated. PRTC allowing people to believe it was not McKirdy who reported the infraction is a disservice, and are harboring him.
Anyone who defends McKirdy has no respect for the sport. There are a million other coaches out there; you don't need to choose McKirdy. If the McKirdy Marathon goes away, a better marathon will be organized by someone who is actually respected. Stop acting like McKirdy's an integral part of this sport; he can be replaced, and people can succeed elsewhere.
He ain't making the team...why is this a big deal?
If you really are Ethan's coach, you know by now that it was definitely James McKirdy that reported you, and he lied to your face, and everyone elses about it.
The bigger issue is not that McKirdy reported you, or that your athlete got DQ'd, it's the fact that he lied to you about it. Stand up for the sport, and yourself, and say that McKirdy reported the infraction.
The Philadelphia Runner Track Club has all the evidence that leads to McKirdy reporting the infraction. PRTC - have some integrity for the sport, and release this information so the truth can be vindicated. PRTC allowing people to believe it was not McKirdy who reported the infraction is a disservice, and are harboring him.
Anyone who defends McKirdy has no respect for the sport. There are a million other coaches out there; you don't need to choose McKirdy. If the McKirdy Marathon goes away, a better marathon will be organized by someone who is actually respected. Stop acting like McKirdy's an integral part of this sport; he can be replaced, and people can succeed elsewhere.
He ain't making the team...why is this a big deal?
Just asking.
Whether Ethan made the team, or not is not a big deal to me; it’s not what my post is about. You’ll want to reply to someone else’s comment for that answer.
WOW! Rojo needs to post this on the first home page because this DQ was LEGITIMATE. Going further, I think Hermann and his coach, possibly even the club, should be banned from further Philadelphia marathons.
Hermann accidently dropped his water bottle - one of his club teammates volunteering at the table picked it up and sprinted 200 meters to hand him his water bottle.
His coach Chris Namoli FLAGRANTLY interfered with every fluid station, including moving other athlete's water bottles. There were violations at every fluid station, except one where the coach tried but the volunteer did not cooperate.
Yes, that documents in no way resembles an innocent mistake. The DQ should stand and I think that running club should be kicked out of USATF and not allowed to run any sanctioned events ever again. It should be a ban in perpetuity.
Let's post the real juicy bits from that investigation document:
IV. POST-RACE ACTIONS After learning that Elite Coordinators were aware of Mr. Hermann’s unauthorized actions and violations, Mr. Namoli, the Philadelphia Runner Track Club, and by extension Mr. Hermann, attempted to remove potentially incriminating posts on social media. A notice was posted on the Philadelphia Runner Track Club Slack, a social media platform, asking all members to not post anything on social media about Mr. Hermann. Mr. Namoli states in the post, “There could be an appeal bc people handed him bottles and that wasn’t offered to every runner. So we just need him to get accepted and race the trials with no noise.”
These actions violate USATF Rule 145.2 as they are unsportsmanlike in nature, as they confirm that the coach and athlete were aware of and attempted to cover-up the violations.
V. CONCLUSION This document attests to the observed incidents involving Mr. Hermann's performance at the 2023 Philadelphia Marathon and outlines actions that contravene race regulations, based on violations of the following USATF Rules:
144.7: Mr. Hermann received assistance from volunteers and/or Mr. Namoli without gaining prior permission from the Elite Coordinators or the race. This action was confirmed to have occurred at six out of the seven Elite Fluid Stations.
145.2: Mr. Hermann’s actions of colluding with Elite Fluid Volunteers that were members of the Philadelphia Runner Track Club at Elite Fluid Stations #1, 3, 4, and 6 and his coach to hand him his personal fluids at Elite Fluid Stations #2 and 7 is unsportsmanlike in conduct. Not only does this give him an advantage of securing his personal fluids at the Elite Fluid Stations, which was not provided to any of the elite athletes in the field, but it also requires the volunteers at the station to prioritize Mr. Hermann over the rest of the athletes. Additionally, this rule was violated after the race when Mr. Namoli, The Philadelphia Runner Track Club, and by extension Mr. Hermann, attempted to remove any evidence surrounding the direct handing-off of personal fluids at the Elite Fluid Stations.
241.2(e): Mr. Hermann was directly handed his elite fluids by unauthorized persons when he received his personal bottles from volunteers and/or Mr. Namoli during the race. This action was confirmed at six out of the seven Elite Fluid Stations (#1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7). Additionally, Mr. Forry ran alongside Mr. Hermann to hand off Mr. Hermann’s personal fluids after Elite Fluid Station #5.
241.2(f): Mr. Hermann received his elite fluids from Mr. Forry two-hundred meters past Elite Fluid Station #5, which is well outside the authorized Elite Fluid Station area. Based on the collected body of evidence and numerous violations, the Philadelphia Marathon deems it necessary to disqualify Mr. Hermann from the 2023 Philadelphia Marathon and rescind his performance.
It wasn’t McKirdy. I actually reached out because that post came the next day. He said the Philly race coordinators reached out for his advice on how to handle and gave him the evidence and he gave his opinions. He actually helped “talk me off the ledge” because I was in a big depression hole Monday and Tuesday. He said with CIM coming up, he wanted to remind people since that’s the last race of the window
Absolutely sounds like something McKirdy would do. Get someone DQ'ed then play innocent like he's trying to help. Why the hell would a Philly coordinator talk to McKirdy about what happened. Sounds like a made-up story by McKirdy to sound important. That's fishy as hell. I don't buy it. I believe now more than ever it was McKirdy.
Sounds like Ethan needs to find himself another coach, one who knows and follows the rules and doesn't lie about it if he breaks them, claiming it was a moment of misjudgment and exuberance, when it reality it was systematic and through-out the race.
Ethan sounds like a good hard working guy. His coach is coming off like a McKirdy 2.0 clone. Not a good fit or look.
WOW! Rojo needs to post this on the first home page because this DQ was LEGITIMATE. Going further, I think Hermann and his coach, possibly even the club, should be banned from further Philadelphia marathons.
Hermann accidently dropped his water bottle - one of his club teammates volunteering at the table picked it up and sprinted 200 meters to hand him his water bottle.
His coach Chris Namoli FLAGRANTLY interfered with every fluid station, including moving other athlete's water bottles. There were violations at every fluid station, except one where the coach tried but the volunteer did not cooperate.
Exactly. You dorks on this page and the rest of the internet are always quick to pass judgement without knowing ANYTHING. This guy cheated and all of you supported him. 147 upvotes. Who knew more than 50 people even visit this site? I thought we hated cheaters. Nope. Every upvote should be banned for supporting cheating also.
Just checking in here to let people know that I am the coach and the person that handed Ethan his bottle. No one is taking this news harder than I am and I have taken full responsibility. I've apologized to my long time personal friends who were involved in the DQ for putting them in this situation. But just to make sure there isn't confusion, the bottle I handed him, was his official nutrition bottle that was on the official nutrition table. I let my emotions and excitement get the better of me, didn't know the rules and I've been trying to make this right from the moment I learned about this. I am definitely sorry and I will definitely not do something like this ever again.
This is pretty embarrassing and you should quit coaching. I’m a middle aged woman who hasn’t even BQed yet and will never come close to an OTQ, but even **I** know the rules.
How stupid are you? Why are you even on the course? It is literally your JOB to know the rules.
Coaches shouldn’t be allowed anywhere except the finish line if they’re going to do this.
Remember how this person was downvoted into the void for saying this? And the whataboutism of the person who responded to her talking about second offenses with 32 votes? How the turn tables.
WOW! Rojo needs to post this on the first home page because this DQ was LEGITIMATE. Going further, I think Hermann and his coach, possibly even the club, should be banned from further Philadelphia marathons.
Hermann accidently dropped his water bottle - one of his club teammates volunteering at the table picked it up and sprinted 200 meters to hand him his water bottle.
His coach Chris Namoli FLAGRANTLY interfered with every fluid station, including moving other athlete's water bottles. There were violations at every fluid station, except one where the coach tried but the volunteer did not cooperate.
Wait, is that Dan Forry dude who sprinted 200 meters to give him a bottle the same one who cut his turkey trot course so he could beat Zach Miller and then flexed about it all over Strava? That is definitely not the type of person Ethan should be associating himself with.
while it’s clear the coach lied, participated in and possibly orchestrated this stupidity, Hermann must have at least known about it.
bad judgment calls by all involved. perhaps the coach and athlete are well suited.
It's extremely bad they cheated. Unforgivable and sleezy.
But to then cry about it on social media and say you were treated unfairly, make a big deal about it on several running websites, only to be exposed as lying about everything? That's the hallmark of the worst type of humans ever. That deserves eternal shame and damnation.
They moved water bottles of other elite athletes, making it harder for those athletes to qualify for the trials. They put their friends volunteering on hydration stations to cheat, meaning they CONSPIRED with a big group to cheat. They cheated or attempted to cheat at every fueling station. Then when they got caught, they asked everyone to lie and cover it up. They then slandered the Philly Marathon publicly to try to get the public pressure to force them to change their decision. Scummy move after scummy move.
while it’s clear the coach lied, participated in and possibly orchestrated this stupidity, Hermann must have at least known about it.
bad judgment calls by all involved. perhaps the coach and athlete are well suited.
It's extremely bad they cheated. Unforgivable and sleezy.
But to then cry about it on social media and say you were treated unfairly, make a big deal about it on several running websites, only to be exposed as lying about everything? That's the hallmark of the worst type of humans ever. That deserves eternal shame and damnation.
They moved water bottles of other elite athletes, making it harder for those athletes to qualify for the trials. They put their friends volunteering on hydration stations to cheat, meaning they CONSPIRED with a big group to cheat. They cheated or attempted to cheat at every fueling station. Then when they got caught, they asked everyone to lie and cover it up. They then slandered the Philly Marathon publicly to try to get the public pressure to force them to change their decision. Scummy move after scummy move.
This social media aspect inviting scrutiny is why I likened it to Rossi - although Hermann still completed the distance.
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