Not specifically to one poster, but it is rather ironic that they claim the right is trying to marginalize or get rid of minorities...while the left is going after anyone who doesn't fall in lock step. You can see it in this thread.
No back to the usual arguing and insulting.
You are claiming that liberals are going after anyone that doesn’t fall into “lock step”. That’s absolute bullsh*t. It’s unlikely you can find a single democrat politician that supported the HS 1600m runners or especially Lia Thomas.
Trump has taken a very strong stance against transgender athletes, but it doesn’t make the top 100 for reasons to hate him.
I wouldn't equate liberals with "democrat politician(s)" the way you're doing. Most Democratic pols abandoned the liberall principals the Democratic Party once stood for long ago. Just like the UK Labour Party has done. Which is why so many genuine liberals are politically homeless.
BTW, the vast majority of American voters today are aligned with neither the Democrats or the Republicans. Latest Gallup poll says 47% of US voters today consider ourselves to be Independents, verus 26% Democrats and 25% Republicans.
As for the claim that "it's unikley you can find a single a demcrat politician" who supported Lia Thomas - I'd point you to the chief Democratic politician in charge of US education policy, Miguel Cardona, who is Biden's US Secretary of Education.
When Cardona testified before Conress in late May of this year, he certainly seemd to take the side of Lia Thomas and other male student-athletes who say they "identify as" girls and women over female student-athletes who actually are girls and women.
At Wednesday's House Education Committee hearing, Rep. Erin Houchin (R-IN) questioned Education Sec. Miguel Cardona about gender-based athletic policies.Fuel...
Cardona's stance that "rights" of male trans-identified students to girls' school sports and locker rooms must be balanced against, and ulimately prioritized over, the rights of female students to have female-only school sports and locker rooms is consistent with the position he took when he was education commissioner for the state of Connectict. Cardone took the helm over education in CT at the time when CT's entire Democratic-run government and education system went to bat - and to court - to establish and protect the "right" of male students in CT like Terry Miller, Andraya Yearwood and Redmond Sullivan to compete and win in girls' HS sports. Indeed, Cardona's unyielding view that Title IX guarantees males who claim a trans gender identity a "right" to female school sports and spaces is one of the main reason why Cardona got the position in CT and why he was Biden's top choice for US Secy of Ed.
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That’s not the point. Can you identify a transgender athlete that started testosterone suppression prior to puberty? The new rule is likely to reduce the possibility of another Lia Thomas to about zero percent.
Becky is 11 years old and is entering middle school. When Becky isn’t coloring her hair pink (her favorite color) or playing video games with her friends, she’s probably running. Everyone in Becky’s family — her two older bro...
Having (far more) testosterone in your body since birth is an advantage that can't be lessened. My 800 / 1500 PRs would beat Kratochvilova and Kipyegon respectively, and I didn't train much in HS and was on moderate mileage in college before getting injured.
There's a reason the mile WR is 3:43 for males vs 4:07 for females.
You are claiming that liberals are going after anyone that doesn’t fall into “lock step”. That’s absolute bullsh*t. It’s unlikely you can find a single democrat politician that supported the HS 1600m runners or especially Lia Thomas.
Trump has taken a very strong stance against transgender athletes, but it doesn’t make the top 100 for reasons to hate him.
I wouldn't equate liberals with "democrat politician(s)" the way you're doing. Most Democratic pols abandoned the liberall principals the Democratic Party once stood for long ago. Just like the UK Labour Party has done. Which is why so many genuine liberals are politically homeless.
BTW, the vast majority of American voters today are aligned with neither the Democrats or the Republicans. Latest Gallup poll says 47% of US voters today consider ourselves to be Independents, verus 26% Democrats and 25% Republicans.
As for the claim that "it's unikley you can find a single a demcrat politician" who supported Lia Thomas - I'd point you to the chief Democratic politician in charge of US education policy, Miguel Cardona, who is Biden's US Secretary of Education.
When Cardona testified before Conress in late May of this year, he certainly seemd to take the side of Lia Thomas and other male student-athletes who say they "identify as" girls and women over female student-athletes who actually are girls and women.
Cardona's stance that "rights" of male trans-identified students to girls' school sports and locker rooms must be balanced against, and ulimately prioritized over, the rights of female students to have female-only school sports and locker rooms is consistent with the position he took when he was education commissioner for the state of Connectict. Cardone took the helm over education in CT at the time when CT's entire Democratic-run government and education system went to bat - and to court - to establish and protect the "right" of male students in CT like Terry Miller, Andraya Yearwood and Redmond Sullivan to compete and win in girls' HS sports. Indeed, Cardona's unyielding view that Title IX guarantees males who claim a trans gender identity a "right" to female school sports and spaces is one of the main reason why Cardona got the position in CT and why he was Biden's top choice for US Secy of Ed.
Not specifically to one poster, but it is rather ironic that they claim the right is trying to marginalize or get rid of minorities...while the left is going after anyone who doesn't fall in lock step. You can see it in this thread.
No back to the usual arguing and insulting.
You are claiming that liberals are going after anyone that doesn’t fall into “lock step”. That’s absolute bullsh*t. It’s unlikely you can find a single democrat politician that supported the HS 1600m runners or especially Lia Thomas.
Trump has taken a very strong stance against transgender athletes, but it doesn’t make the top 100 for reasons to hate him.
Where did I say anything about 1660m runners or Lia Thomas? Perhaps you should learn to read what is written instead of letting your hatred for Trump rule everything you think.
That’s not the point. Can you identify a transgender athlete that started testosterone suppression prior to puberty? The new rule is likely to reduce the possibility of another Lia Thomas to about zero percent.
You truly are a moron, quit focusing on what they look like. Nobody cares what they look like. Nobody cares that they look like a girl or that they color their hair pink. You keep posting this crap because you absolutely don't understand the issue.
THEIR APPEARANCE IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that biological males have an extreme advantage in sport, regardless of their appearance.
The person you showed Becky - will never have a period. will never have wide hips. Her pelvis will be narrow, her limbs will be relatively longer, her bones will be more dense, her shoulders will be relatively wider, her rib cage will be relatively larger, her lung capacity will be relatively larger, her feet will be relatively larger, her hands will be relatively larger. She has already been exposed to more testosterone than all the biological females she competes against. She has a built in advantage from birth.
People than never competed making policy is the problem.
I think I speak for a lot larger group of Dems when I say I do not care at all. The fact that somebody is posting about the 5th ranked cross country runner in Maine as if this is a critical political issue makes me thankful we are making the planet uninhabitable.
We as a species should drive ourselves to extinction as soon as possible.
This quote is the problem:
"I think I speak for a lot larger group of Dems when I say I do not care at all".
Typical Left-Dem response. If it doesn't affect their lives they don't give a sh^t! Hmmm...let me guess, you don't have a daughter who competes in a sport. Right? Ahhh...Thought so.
You rely on the falsehood that testosterone suppression evens the playing field. It doesn't.
Testosterone suppression doesn't account for body composition changes brought on by female puberty. Nor does testosterone suppression account for musculoskeletal differences between biological males and biological females.
Hormone therapy does not create a level playing field. Don't ever bring it up again. It make you sound stupid.
That’s not the point. Can you identify a transgender athlete that started testosterone suppression prior to puberty? The new rule is likely to reduce the possibility of another Lia Thomas to about zero percent.
As I posted above. Their advantage doesn't lie in their appearance. You keep focusing on appearance because focusing on the actual issue is a losing battle for you. Nobody cares that they look like a girl.
Their male from birth body is the problem. They have advantages that cannot be offset. This makes their participation in women's sports inherently unfair to every single biological female the they compete against.
Please keep harping on their appearance, it only shows that you are fundamentally wrong.
I care about demagogues using the same techniques used to vilify Jews in 1930's Germany to vilify little children to further the destruction of democracy.
Repubs tried to demonize homosexuals for decades, lost that cultural war
Then targeted gay marriage, lost there too
Continually going after smaller more marginalized groups to perpetuate a cultural war.
These aren't political operatives trying to ruin women's sports. They are kids wanting to feel like they belong. Y'all need to find you some Jesus.
I don't want to be the next target for the Rightwing Cultural Warriors.
Using the Holocaust to help support your point about why biological males should compete against biological females is extremely low. You can't compare the systematic execution of six million Jewish people and millions of Romani, LGBTQ+, and disabled people to those pushing to keep women in women's sports. It's disturbing to see this sort of comparison drawn and shows you have a stunning lack of knowledge on the most evil and awful event in human history. Democrats and those on the left who nonchalantly toss these comparisons out need to take a long look in the mirror and reevaluate your views.
That’s not the point. Can you identify a transgender athlete that started testosterone suppression prior to puberty? The new rule is likely to reduce the possibility of another Lia Thomas to about zero percent.
You truly are a moron, quit focusing on what they look like. Nobody cares what they look like. Nobody cares that they look like a girl or that they color their hair pink. You keep posting this crap because you absolutely don't understand the issue.
THEIR APPEARANCE IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that biological males have an extreme advantage in sport, regardless of their appearance.
The person you showed Becky - will never have a period. will never have wide hips. Her pelvis will be narrow, her limbs will be relatively longer, her bones will be more dense, her shoulders will be relatively wider, her rib cage will be relatively larger, her lung capacity will be relatively larger, her feet will be relatively larger, her hands will be relatively larger. She has already been exposed to more testosterone than all the biological females she competes against. She has a built in advantage from birth.
Your focus on appearance is stupid.
I didn't mention anything about BPJ's appearance. You seem to be the one obsessed with her appearance, not me. A poster asked about a trans athlete who started testosterone suppression before puberty. So I provided an example. That article happened to have a photo of the trans athlete, which seems to have triggered you.
And aside from not having a period, everything else you wrote there ignores the effect of cross hormone therapy. It is especially notable that you think she will have more dense bone, while bone density is usually cited as the most serious side effect of puberty blockers.
He'll care about this if/when the Dem media changes their mind about this issue. Dem voters wait for their instructions from their overlords, they 100% give up all of their free-will to think clearly and independently for themselves. So for now, this guy doesn't care about boys taking from girls even though in many other scenarios I bet he claims he's a "champion for women's rights".
Right...because the vast majority of Republicans aren't taking their marching orders from a former President and other M.A.G.A. loonies/overlords in Congress. Love how the right likes to claim to be "free thinkers" and "don't tell me what to do", yet will lick the boots of a disgraced NY billionaire and not see the irony. Morons.
We have primaries in our party, don't have super delegates that decide who wins EVERY time, and have tons of competing and contradictory news sources, unlike the left.
There are a lot of low IQ Republican older voters too that just watch Fox (the controlled opposition news source that is more left leaning than right leaning). So there is some group think there but nothing like on the left, it isn't even close! Being a Marxist Democrat is a religion to you all and you'll parrot ANYTHING the MSM throws at us.
On a side not, Trump isn't nearly as popular now as the media will lead you to believe, the media desperately wants Trump to be the nominee again because they know they can run him over like they did in 2020. We actually get to vote in our primaries so we'll see what happens there in a few months.
You are claiming that liberals are going after anyone that doesn’t fall into “lock step”. That’s absolute bullsh*t. It’s unlikely you can find a single democrat politician that supported the HS 1600m runners or especially Lia Thomas.
Trump has taken a very strong stance against transgender athletes, but it doesn’t make the top 100 for reasons to hate him.
I wouldn't equate liberals with "democrat politician(s)" the way you're doing. Most Democratic pols abandoned the liberall principals the Democratic Party once stood for long ago. Just like the UK Labour Party has done. Which is why so many genuine liberals are politically homeless.
BTW, the vast majority of American voters today are aligned with neither the Democrats or the Republicans. Latest Gallup poll says 47% of US voters today consider ourselves to be Independents, verus 26% Democrats and 25% Republicans.
As for the claim that "it's unikley you can find a single a demcrat politician" who supported Lia Thomas - I'd point you to the chief Democratic politician in charge of US education policy, Miguel Cardona, who is Biden's US Secretary of Education.
When Cardona testified before Conress in late May of this year, he certainly seemd to take the side of Lia Thomas and other male student-athletes who say they "identify as" girls and women over female student-athletes who actually are girls and women.
Cardona's stance that "rights" of male trans-identified students to girls' school sports and locker rooms must be balanced against, and ulimately prioritized over, the rights of female students to have female-only school sports and locker rooms is consistent with the position he took when he was education commissioner for the state of Connectict. Cardone took the helm over education in CT at the time when CT's entire Democratic-run government and education system went to bat - and to court - to establish and protect the "right" of male students in CT like Terry Miller, Andraya Yearwood and Redmond Sullivan to compete and win in girls' HS sports. Indeed, Cardona's unyielding view that Title IX guarantees males who claim a trans gender identity a "right" to female school sports and spaces is one of the main reason why Cardona got the position in CT and why he was Biden's top choice for US Secy of Ed.
I really don’t care what she has to say. Has she had any effect, at any level, with how transgender athletes are treated? Did she persuade FINA to continue to allow Lia Thomas to compete? Did she overrule the states bans against transgender athletes? Your boogeyman has zero impact on the issue.
Why dont all the female runners simply sit down on the starting line. Let the guy run by himself. Then when he is near the finish line they all start the official race.
You truly are a moron, quit focusing on what they look like. Nobody cares what they look like. Nobody cares that they look like a girl or that they color their hair pink. You keep posting this crap because you absolutely don't understand the issue.
THEIR APPEARANCE IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that biological males have an extreme advantage in sport, regardless of their appearance.
The person you showed Becky - will never have a period. will never have wide hips. Her pelvis will be narrow, her limbs will be relatively longer, her bones will be more dense, her shoulders will be relatively wider, her rib cage will be relatively larger, her lung capacity will be relatively larger, her feet will be relatively larger, her hands will be relatively larger. She has already been exposed to more testosterone than all the biological females she competes against. She has a built in advantage from birth.
Your focus on appearance is stupid.
I didn't mention anything about BPJ's appearance. You seem to be the one obsessed with her appearance, not me. A poster asked about a trans athlete who started testosterone suppression before puberty. So I provided an example. That article happened to have a photo of the trans athlete, which seems to have triggered you.
And aside from not having a period, everything else you wrote there ignores the effect of cross hormone therapy. It is especially notable that you think she will have more dense bone, while bone density is usually cited as the most serious side effect of puberty blockers.
Yes you did. You keep posting articles that focus on appearance and completely ignore the real issue.
My guess is that you are trans male to female. You focus on appearance because, in you deluded mind, all that is required to be female, is to look female. Sorry to tell you, being female requires much more than looking female.
You refuse to understand the issue because in order for you to understand the issue, you would have to put aside your personal delusion.
Cross hormone therapy doesn't magically turn a boy into a girl.
You believe that out of a population of one that a transgender athlete will compete in the Olympics?
To date, the transgender athletes have been waiting until college to begin treatments and that’s a long, long way from prior to puberty.
No, I don't think BJP will make an Olympic team, or even an NCAA D1 team. She isn't that fast.
But you are totally mistaken in thinking that trans athletes have been waiting until college to begin treatments. You only hear about those cases, because they win something important. I have already posted video links and articles of several trans athletes who started treatments before or in the early stage of puberty. There are more of them, but most do not want to be known to the public as trans. So I respect their privacy. They are not competitive at all, and none of them have been offered D1 scholarships so far. (If you watch the Ember Zelch video above, she says she will be playing on a D3 team this fall.)
Do they still have some advantage? I don't know. But most people don't care. They are not good enough to be a "threat" to anyone.
You are claiming that liberals are going after anyone that doesn’t fall into “lock step”. That’s absolute bullsh*t. It’s unlikely you can find a single democrat politician that supported the HS 1600m runners or especially Lia Thomas.
Trump has taken a very strong stance against transgender athletes, but it doesn’t make the top 100 for reasons to hate him.
Where did I say anything about 1660m runners or Lia Thomas? Perhaps you should learn to read what is written instead of letting your hatred for Trump rule everything you think.
Where did I say anything about 1660m runners?
I was exaggerating but my point is that there has been no reaction to Trump and DeSantis being against transgender athletes and that’s even with them ranting about “Men competing against women.” It’s a campaign issue only on one side.
I didn't mention anything about BPJ's appearance. You seem to be the one obsessed with her appearance, not me. A poster asked about a trans athlete who started testosterone suppression before puberty. So I provided an example. That article happened to have a photo of the trans athlete, which seems to have triggered you.
And aside from not having a period, everything else you wrote there ignores the effect of cross hormone therapy. It is especially notable that you think she will have more dense bone, while bone density is usually cited as the most serious side effect of puberty blockers.
Yes you did. You keep posting articles that focus on appearance and completely ignore the real issue.
WHERE did I mention her appearance? Why do you think the articles I have posted focus on appearance? It's all in your head. You need to ask yourself why you are so obsessed with trans people's physical appearance.
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