Realrunner,
im afraid you’re right….
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Name names wrote:
Age grading is totally flawed. I'd bet a bunch that if one twin has 100K miles on their legs vs. another twin who started late and has 25K miles on their legs, they aren't going to be performing equally. The 100K mileage runner is going to be pretty cooked while the late bloomer is going to have fresher legs.
I know two guys in their 50’s who have run since high school. Both were college runners and to this day, both will tell you that they are running the same age graded times as they did at their peak.
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Her name comes up every few years under question. Yeah she's masters so no one actually cares. But they should because this sport needs people who care about doping at all levels. So who does she run for? Is she sponsored? Does she have a team? THEY should care and do something about this. Have her routinely tested, right? If the running world knows she's dirty, then someone should get on it.
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Good for her wrote:
lojack wrote:
Tommy Hughes was an Olympian and 2:13 marathoner in his prime. I'm not saying she couldn't have been the female equivalent, but we don't have any evidence of a similar pedigree from her youth.
Does it matter? Some people are happy for her and some people here are seething with jealousy.
How you respond shows the type of person you are.
Those aren’t the only two camps Jenny. Some actually want to get all the drug cheats out of the sport and create a level playing field. Some care about the rules and others don’t.
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Good for her wrote:
lojack wrote:
Tommy Hughes was an Olympian and 2:13 marathoner in his prime. I'm not saying she couldn't have been the female equivalent, but we don't have any evidence of a similar pedigree from her youth.
Does it matter? Some people are happy for her and some people here are seething with jealousy.
How you respond shows the type of person you are.
Okay, what does how someone responds show what sort of person "you" are? And what if you're neither happy or jealous but suspicious?
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Coyote Montane wrote:
There are a few late onset runners that picked it up in their mid-late 50s and they do seem to recover better and race more.
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
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HRE wrote:
Good for her wrote:
Does it matter? Some people are happy for her and some people here are seething with jealousy.
How you respond shows the type of person you are.
Okay, what does how someone responds show what sort of person "you" are? And what if you're neither happy or jealous but suspicious?
You don't have to tell me what you think. I already know.
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Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
Coyote Montane wrote:
There are a few late onset runners that picked it up in their mid-late 50s and they do seem to recover better and race more.
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
Wrong. I'm 60 years old. I'm not on any hormone replacement. You people are obsessed with doping.
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Good for her wrote:
Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
Wrong. I'm 60 years old. I'm not on any hormone replacement. You people are obsessed with doping.
Says the person who either:
A. Is doping
B. Isn't a competitive runner
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Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
Coyote Montane wrote:
There are a few late onset runners that picked it up in their mid-late 50s and they do seem to recover better and race more.
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
You have been coming on this board saying the same thing for years now, with nothing to back it up other than your own narrow perspective. Maybe in your gym rat world, that happens, but with runners (which I don't think you really know much about) you are off base, if not flat out wrong.
Aren't you from the same area? Care to meet up in person and say things like that to my face? Or are you going to be hiding in your own private anonymity throwing aspersions at master runners.
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Good for her wrote:
Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
Wrong. I'm 60 years old. I'm not on any hormone replacement. You people are obsessed with doping.
Are you setting PRs? Training like you did 10 years ago? inquiring minds what to know.
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I don't care what my testosterone level is. I don't expect it to be what it was 40 years ago.
My recovery often amazes me. I could explain how it works, but what would be the point? This place is full of cynical people who are on a mission to spread ignorance and hate.
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Good for her wrote:
I don't care what my testosterone level is. I don't expect it to be what it was 40 years ago.
My recovery often amazes me. I could explain how it works, but what would be the point? This place is full of cynical people who are on a mission to spread ignorance and hate.
Jenny I am sure your testosterone is high since you take it. Not sure why you would be mad about being tested just that one time if you are clean. Not sure why you would avoid races that test.
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Gills are full wrote:
Good for her wrote:
I don't care what my testosterone level is. I don't expect it to be what it was 40 years ago.
My recovery often amazes me. I could explain how it works, but what would be the point? This place is full of cynical people who are on a mission to spread ignorance and hate.
Jenny I am sure your testosterone is high since you take it. Not sure why you would be mad about being tested just that one time if you are clean. Not sure why you would avoid races that test.
Jenny, is that really you?
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Good for her wrote:
HRE wrote:
Okay, what does how someone responds show what sort of person "you" are? And what if you're neither happy or jealous but suspicious?
You don't have to tell me what you think. I already know.
Okay, since you know what I think why not tell me?
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Good for her wrote:
I don't care what my testosterone level is. I don't expect it to be what it was 40 years ago.
My recovery often amazes me. I could explain how it works, but what would be the point? This place is full of cynical people who are on a mission to spread ignorance and hate.
No...you're absolutely wrong. The board is full of people who know better. They're stopping the ignorance that is displayed by your social media following.
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LOL:
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Good for her wrote:
I don't care what my testosterone level is. I don't expect it to be what it was 40 years ago.
My recovery often amazes me. I could explain how it works, but what would be the point? This place is full of cynical people who are on a mission to spread ignorance and hate.
Everyone would love to hear the explanation of your recovery. You could write a book and make millions and it would shut down the haters.
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Coyote Montane wrote:
Former runner turned bodybuilder wrote:
These "late onset runners" would still experience an age-related decline in testosterone & other hormones whether they were training or not over the decades (testosterone levels decline on average ~1% per year after age 30).
So, unless they implement testosterone/hormonal replacement therapy when they start competing in their middle-ages, they shouldn't be experiencing any better recovery from hard training & racing then others who continued lifelong running.
All about hormones for aging athletes.
You have been coming on this board saying the same thing for years now, with nothing to back it up other than your own narrow perspective. Maybe in your gym rat world, that happens, but with runners (which I don't think you really know much about) you are off base, if not flat out wrong.
Aren't you from the same area? Care to meet up in person and say things like that to my face? Or are you going to be hiding in your own private anonymity throwing aspersions at master runners.
Who am I specifically casting aspersions on? I made a general statement of fact that testosterone levels drop, on average, ~1% per year after age 30. Where did this become personal as you're alleging?
Are you refuting & saying that "late onset runners" or anyone entering into an endurance sport in their middle-age, wouldn't have that same hormonal decline because they were inactive & not competing in a sport in their younger years?
My decline is actually worse than ~1% per year. My current test levels are 524 ng/dL (July/2022) & my peak levels were in the low 800s in my 20s when I was competing in bodybuilding & powerlifting in the 1980s. After 10 yrs of that, I transitioned to running & ran with masters running club up until 5 yrs ago when I had stop running because of chronic injuries & post-traumatic OA. So, I know a little bit about masters running/runners because I was around them for about 15 yrs.
I recall over the years some late onset runners joining the club & experiencing slow recovery from hard workouts & races like the rest of us. There were also getting injured like us others who had been running for decades.
So, are you disputing endocrinology science of declining hormones with aging athletes?
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long sleeve shirt wrote:
LOL:
Most women collegiate sprinters don’t even look that jacked.
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