Does anyone actually watch womens basketball?

I agree with you regarding pay and other financial matters.

I'm glad you're watching and that you find the games entertaining. I hope others watch the games and I believe that if you're a fan of basketball you'll find it worthy of attendance. I know that I'll be visiting my son next year in college and we'll attend a women's game.

After following her playing and coaching career for more than three decades, I feel like Dawn Staley is a friend of mine. ;)

I agree. Anyone who thinks watching Caitlin Clark play is boring probably thinks it was boring watching Athing Mu win the gold in the Olympics because a lot of high school boys ran faster. I just don't think Clark's coach should be getting paid $2 million (or whatever it is) because MBB generates a lot of (and more) revenue.

Wrong, as usual.

wsn.com

NCAA Men's vs Women's Basketball: Revenue, Viewership, Attendance

@WSNsports

It's NCAA Men's vs Women's Basketball! Find out which makes more money, has more fans, sells more game tickets, and more!

Link:www.wsn.com/ncaam-basketball/ncaa-men-...

$266,183 in revenue. lol. Revenue isn't profit. Profit is revenue less expenses. I'd wager it costs more than 200 grand to run the tournament.

You have no idea if I'm wrong. You FEEL like I'm wrong because you don't like what I said.

Crazy. I started this exact thread before you and got like 3 responses. Im jealous.

I don't think she is getting anything close to $2M.

“Seeing as the Men’s Tournament accounts for nearly 90% of revenue for the NCAA, it makes sense that the conference of a team, as it progresses through the tournament, is paid a portion that accumulates as they succeed. In 2017, that amount was $266, 183, resulting in a near $1.6 million pay-out for the team that makes the Finals.”

This is what the $266,183 represents. Because you are too dumb to actually read and oblivious to reality, someone putting it in the wrong place on a chart actually duped you into believing the total revenues across all NCAA women’s bball programs and media rights is only $266k.

Silly me... thinking I didn't need to fact check the chart.

Since you are the resident genius tell us how much revenue and profit the women's tournament makes versus the men's tournament.

That might just be base salary. I know Brenda Freese of Maryland has a base salary under 1 million but she ends up making about 1.5 million.

yahoo.com

NCAA reveals budget, revenue gulfs between men’s and women’s basketball tournaments

@HenryBushnell

In a financial summary obtained by Yahoo Sports, the NCAA attempted to justify the disparity between the two tournament budgets.

Link:www.yahoo.com/video/ncaa-revenue-budge...

"The 2019 men’s tournament, the NCAA said, generated $917.8 million in revenue, and $864.6 million in net income. The 2019 women’s tournament, it said, generated $15.1 million in revenue, and that $2.8 million in net losses."

The 917 million tracked with the 933 million on the other sites chart so I brazenly assumed the women's number was correct as well. Sue me.

You're still wrong.

You’re not silly for not fact checking the chart, you’re dumb for not immediately realizing that $266k in total revenues is nowhere in the realm of believability.

This is as bad as you’re thinking USMNT had to qualify through Brazil and Argentina. Spend less time posting and more time educating yourself.

This number makes 0 sense. The attendance and ratings are about 1/3 of the men. Men's revenue listen as almost $1 billion, so women's more like $200 million, assuming cheaper tickets.

1 game in Iowa w/ 10,000 fans @ $30 a ticket = $300,000 and that's just 1 game of revenue, so that $266k number is an error.

Each year NCAA women's basketball gets bigger. When they eventually break out the tv rights separately for women's tourney, it will be profitable, of course a lot less than men's game.

You were gifted a reality-based common sense that he was not.

I posted the correct information.

It proves I was right.

There's a reason you idiots are ignoring it.

yahoo.com

NCAA reveals budget, revenue gulfs between men’s and women’s basketball tournaments

@HenryBushnell

In a financial summary obtained by Yahoo Sports, the NCAA attempted to justify the disparity between the two tournament budgets.

Link:www.yahoo.com/video/ncaa-revenue-budge...

Attack the data not me you lazy imbeciles...

Maybe you should actually read the entire article that you post because the article itself calls that figure into question as we have several times on this thread already. The fact is that the NCAA doesnt disclose how it gets the numbers for the portion of the bundled sports in the current ESPN contract. It insists the womens portion is 16% which is laughable. As noted already, if they removed womens basketball from the bundle of non revenue sports the current contract has them with, it is widely believed you could get north of $100 million for it alone. That contract is up next year so lets revisit this in 2025 and see how badly womens basketball is bleeding funds then. assuming the NCAA still isnt trying to undermine its value like it has been up till now so that it didnt have to invest in it. thankfully public pressure is making this a lot harder now but I still wouldnt put it past them or the nightmare of red tape you have to get through to get anything changed at the NCAA.

And your article seems to agree with that assessment also because it specifically states:

"Marketing experts, economists and advocates, however, question the NCAA’s accounting; and they argue that if the NCAA promoted the women’s basketball tournament as much as, and on equal footing with the men’s tournament, the popularity and value of the women’s tournament could soar. The gulf in revenue is a function of the gulf in investment, not merely a reason for it."

AND it points out as I have already that:

"The budget figures also presumably do not account for the fact that the NCAA awarded schools and conferences a total of $168.5 million in 2019 for their performances at the men's basketball tournament. The revenue distribution scheme incentivizes investment in men's basketball. No such "Basketball Performance Fund" for the women's tournament exists."

So no revenue sharing for making the tournament and winning games in the tournament. No marketing of the womens tournament even close to what they do for the mens. Bundling and underselling of the womens tournament with a bunch of trash sports championships (including track and field by the way). And all that disadvantage and uneven
playing field and you still sit there with a straight face and bellow how the numbers clearly show the womens game is an enormous money loser? Your assessment has zero credibility if you dont have the balls to acknowledge the situation fully and choose to only cherry pick fairly bogus numbers to try to meet your agenda. Meanwhile the NCAA President paid himself $2.9 million in 2020 when the Tournaments were cancelled and they were losing 50% of their revenue, nevermind all the other stuffed suits on the NCAA board. but its womens basketball thats the problem?

This is a false statement. Some people think that may be right but it by no means is "widely believed."

I also don't want to hear how WBB isn't marketed as well as MBB. Of course it isn't because it isn't as popular. The NCAA has been pushing WBB for years and other than a few programs like UConn it is widely unpopular and is played in empty arenas (and UConn blows most of its extra revenue on wildly overpaying Geno and his staff for the UConn program usually barely breaks even).

I may be going to the women's ncaa final four with it being in Dallas. The need for volunteers is pretty big right now helping around the tournament. Don't think I have any time for volunteering. If you are in the Dallas area Google the volunteering opportunities if you are are interested.

Some people? The NCAA itself hired that firm that came to that conclusion and most in the industry (especially those happily buying up cheap ad space) agree that the NCAA's numbers are at best conservative or more likely a case of cooking the books to justify their treatment of womens basketball. If the womens game really is only worth $5.7 million why doesnt the NCAA open its books to prove that?

As to marketing the womens game, do you not understand how marketing works? You market to increase viewership. The logic that you shouldnt market something because its not "widely" popular makes zero sense. If you dont spend some cash to promote something you shouldnt be surprised that that thing doesnt sell as well as the thing you pump all your money into. Do you think the mens game just magically got popular overnight without any marketing? According to your logic no one should ever have invested in the sport because it was not popular enough.

And "pushing womens basketball for years"? Get serious. The NCAA has engaged in a willful lack of promotion of the womens Tournament up until this very year. Thats not some secret. They wouldnt even allow the women to use the term "March Madness" in their marketing until this year! They didnt even televise all the games until 2021! But despite the neglect from the NCAA, the women's game has been growing and numbers have been rising across the board.

Women have been saying for years that there’s a market for women’s sports. They just need the right platform and more exposure. And now that the womens game is available on ESPN and ABC you are seeing numbers sore. So they were right. New records have been set this year for 1st and 2nd round viewership. One 2nd round game drew 1.5 million viewers alone! A 2nd round womens basketball game! And thats why businesses see womens sports today as THE BEST investment out there and are flocking to buy up ad space. For a fraction of the cost of a mens Tournament ad, they can get a foothold into a market that includes a significant segment who they arent accessing in the mens game. They see this as an absolute no brainer. And the NCAA would be foolish not to market and further promote the games growth instead of maintaining it in a below-market deal that treats womens basketball as a sponsorship throw in for mens basketball. In doing this, the NCAA has deprived the sport of millions in additional revenue while creating an inferior on-air product.