El G was much closer to the 3000m record than J. Ingebrigtsen so far is to the 1500m record. El G definitely was capable tp break the 3000m record. Gebrselassie and Bekele were stronger in the 5000m and the 10000m - it's stupid to say the record is so strong because they couldn't better the mark. They also couldn't break the 100m record, I'm sure. The 5000m record is stronger than the 3000m, that's almost certain.
The 3k record has endured far longer than the 5k record. The current holder of the 5k record has so far got nowhere near the 3k record. Nor did the previous 5k record holder. The 3.26 1500m record holder couldn't take the 3k record either.
It might be new for you, but it's eminently true for any current record: so far no one has broken it. The 1500m record was run two years after the 3000m record. Was Young's 46.78 so extremely strong? No one was even close to it for almost three decades.
Komen's 3000m record was extremely strong when it was set in 1996 (some other records at the time: 9.84, 1:41.73, 3:27.37, 12:44.39, 26:38.08, 2:06:50). Now other records are stronger and the 3000m record will be broken soon, probably by more than just one athlete. Also by J. Ingebrigtsen? Maybe, but I'm sceptical.
The 3k record has endured far longer than the 5k record. The current holder of the 5k record has so far got nowhere near the 3k record. Nor did the previous 5k record holder. The 3.26 1500m record holder couldn't take the 3k record either.
It might be new for you, but it's eminently true for any current record: so far no one has broken it. The 1500m record was run two years after the 3000m record. Was Young's 46.78 so extremely strong? No one was even close to it for almost three decades.
Komen's 3000m record was extremely strong when it was set in 1996 (some other records at the time: 9.84, 1:41.73, 3:27.37, 12:44.39, 26:38.08, 2:06:50). Now other records are stronger and the 3000m record will be broken soon, probably by more than just one athlete. Also by J. Ingebrigtsen? Maybe, but I'm sceptical.
Btw, have you already solved the ./: mysterium?
The record that has lasted longer is stronger. It has proved it by enduring. There will be no one who breaks the 3k record any time soon - or the 1500/mile records. And it won't be Jakob.
It might be new for you, but it's eminently true for any current record: so far no one has broken it. The 1500m record was run two years after the 3000m record. Was Young's 46.78 so extremely strong? No one was even close to it for almost three decades.
Komen's 3000m record was extremely strong when it was set in 1996 (some other records at the time: 9.84, 1:41.73, 3:27.37, 12:44.39, 26:38.08, 2:06:50). Now other records are stronger and the 3000m record will be broken soon, probably by more than just one athlete. Also by J. Ingebrigtsen? Maybe, but I'm sceptical.
Btw, have you already solved the ./: mysterium?
The record that has lasted longer is stronger. It has proved it by enduring. There will be no one who breaks the 3k record any time soon - or the 1500/mile records. And it won't be Jakob.
No one will break those records - and it won't be Jakob?
So, according to you, up to 30th June 2021, Young's 46.78 was stronger than all the other records. Than on the next day Warholm has bettered the record to 46.70. This record stood for just 1 month. So, on 30th June 46.78 is the strongest of all the records, on 1st July 46.70 is the weakest of all the records. A true Armstrong.
In just a few years, you have posted over 20.000 times (!!) on this forum, mostly extremely bold and controversial statements. Even after the strongest arguments against your statements you will not change it - never. Even when it's proved (it often was proved) that you are completely wrong, you stick to the wrong statement.
You will never change anything you have written - the same will happen here.
When ten posters try to explain to you the format of times (hours:minutes:seconds) you prefer the wrong format (minutes.seconds). You have absolutely no interest to improve in anything - important for you is to insult other people and to have the last word. Always.
The record that has lasted longer is stronger. It has proved it by enduring. There will be no one who breaks the 3k record any time soon - or the 1500/mile records. And it won't be Jakob.
No one will break those records - and it won't be Jakob?
So, according to you, up to 30th June 2021, Young's 46.78 was stronger than all the other records. Than on the next day Warholm has bettered the record to 46.70. This record stood for just 1 month. So, on 30th June 46.78 is the strongest of all the records, on 1st July 46.70 is the weakest of all the records. A true Armstrong.
In just a few years, you have posted over 20.000 times (!!) on this forum, mostly extremely bold and controversial statements. Even after the strongest arguments against your statements you will not change it - never. Even when it's proved (it often was proved) that you are completely wrong, you stick to the wrong statement.
You will never change anything you have written - the same will happen here.
When ten posters try to explain to you the format of times (hours:minutes:seconds) you prefer the wrong format (minutes.seconds). You have absolutely no interest to improve in anything - important for you is to insult other people and to have the last word. Always.
Windbag. I said nothing about the 400h record. A record is as strong as it lasts. You missed the obvious point there, because you have a head of concrete.
No one will break those records - and it won't be Jakob?
So, according to you, up to 30th June 2021, Young's 46.78 was stronger than all the other records. Than on the next day Warholm has bettered the record to 46.70. This record stood for just 1 month. So, on 30th June 46.78 is the strongest of all the records, on 1st July 46.70 is the weakest of all the records. A true Armstrong.
In just a few years, you have posted over 20.000 times (!!) on this forum, mostly extremely bold and controversial statements. Even after the strongest arguments against your statements you will not change it - never. Even when it's proved (it often was proved) that you are completely wrong, you stick to the wrong statement.
You will never change anything you have written - the same will happen here.
When ten posters try to explain to you the format of times (hours:minutes:seconds) you prefer the wrong format (minutes.seconds). You have absolutely no interest to improve in anything - important for you is to insult other people and to have the last word. Always.
Windbag. I said nothing about the 400h record. A record is as strong as it lasts. You missed the obvious point there, because you have a head of concrete.
Armstrong: The record that has lasted longer is stronger.
In June 2021, the 400m hurdles record has lasted longer than any other men's running record.
As usual, you're just saying I missed the point - but you are ignoring any argument which shows you are talking a lot of nonsense. Just ignoring any argument - always.
Windbag. I said nothing about the 400h record. A record is as strong as it lasts. You missed the obvious point there, because you have a head of concrete.
Armstrong: The record that has lasted longer is stronger.
In June 2021, the 400m hurdles record has lasted longer than any other men's running record.
As usual, you're just saying I missed the point - but you are ignoring any argument which shows you are talking a lot of nonsense. Just ignoring any argument - always.
All records are faster than previous records, but a record that lasted for a longer period was a stronger record - in its era. It was obviously harder to break than a record that was broken sooner. It is a demonstration of your exceptional stupidity to point out that subsequent records are necessarily faster - which is obvious.
However, until the 3k and 1500/mile records are broken they are currently stronger than any other distance record because they have endured longer than any other and shown they are harder to break. It's a simple point but too much for a simpleton.
Armstrong: The record that has lasted longer is stronger.
In June 2021, the 400m hurdles record has lasted longer than any other men's running record.
As usual, you're just saying I missed the point - but you are ignoring any argument which shows you are talking a lot of nonsense. Just ignoring any argument - always.
All records are faster than previous records, but a record that lasted for a longer period was a stronger record - in its era. It was obviously harder to break than a record that was broken sooner. It is a demonstration of your exceptional stupidity to point out that subsequent records are necessarily faster - which is obvious.
However, until the 3k and 1500/mile records are broken they are currently stronger than any other distance record because they have endured longer than any other and shown they are harder to break. It's a simple point but too much for a simpleton.
You have several times listed runners who have not broken Komen's record. Extremely useful when this is true for any runner.
Currently, the 3000m WR is 58.3% of the 5000m WR. Here are the values for some other years (always at the end of the year):
In 2022, the 3000m WR compared to the 5000m WR is relatively weaker than in all of those years. If the 3000m WR at the moment is stronger than the 5000m WR, then it would have been even more so in any of the given years.
All records are faster than previous records, but a record that lasted for a longer period was a stronger record - in its era. It was obviously harder to break than a record that was broken sooner. It is a demonstration of your exceptional stupidity to point out that subsequent records are necessarily faster - which is obvious.
However, until the 3k and 1500/mile records are broken they are currently stronger than any other distance record because they have endured longer than any other and shown they are harder to break. It's a simple point but too much for a simpleton.
You have several times listed runners who have not broken Komen's record. Extremely useful when this is true for any runner.
Currently, the 3000m WR is 58.3% of the 5000m WR. Here are the values for some other years (always at the end of the year):
In 2022, the 3000m WR compared to the 5000m WR is relatively weaker than in all of those years. If the 3000m WR at the moment is stronger than the 5000m WR, then it would have been even more so in any of the given years.
What will be Army's reation?
- He will not write anything to this list
- He will call me stupid
- He will maintain his point
What an utterly irrelevant post. Those percentages mean nothing. There is no necessary mathematical relation between records for significantly different distances run by different exponents. The test of the strength of a record is solely how long it has endured. Wake me up when Jakob or anyone takes Komen's or El G's records. It won't be any time soon, short of a doping free-for-all like the 90's.
El G's 1500m record of 3:26.00 is great, yet he got close to it many times and Lagat ran 3:26.34. El G only ran 7:23. Yes, he should have theoretically been able to get it in more attempts. After all, he also ran 4:44 2000m and 12:50 5000mm. But he did not. Now, however, we can see that some combination of tracks and shoes is bringing many runners within 5-7 seconds of it, and the quickest so far are not the best current 5000m or 1500m runners (Girma and Katir), so I think that we are going to finally see the record fall within the next 2-3 years.
El G's 1500m record of 3:26.00 is great, yet he got close to it many times and Lagat ran 3:26.34. El G only ran 7:23. Yes, he should have theoretically been able to get it in more attempts. After all, he also ran 4:44 2000m and 12:50 5000mm. But he did not. Now, however, we can see that some combination of tracks and shoes is bringing many runners within 5-7 seconds of it, and the quickest so far are not the best current 5000m or 1500m runners (Girma and Katir), so I think that we are going to finally see the record fall within the next 2-3 years.
The only runners who ran 3.26 or close to it or got anywhere near Komen's record did so in an era when there was no test for EPO or they tested positive (Lagat) or were busted (Kiprop). That is why no runner today is close to Komen's and El G's records. It will take more than "shoes" to take those records. Microdosing - as common as it is - won't do it.
As much as I'd like for Ingebrigtsen to be the #1 Mid Distance Runner in the world. I just don't see it happening. He'll likely peak by 2028 Olympics and Based on how he has ran since 2020, It could be something in the realm of:
1500m (3:27.50-90) Current: 3:28.32
Mile (3:45.90-Current PB) Current: 3:46.46 — He needed a Pacelight + Supershoes to barely be below the European Record of Cram in Oslo. Don't see a race that'll give him better conditions and exact pacing. Though, if he has yet to reach his peak, I can definitely see him going under 3:46. But, I'd be a betting man to say he'd likely never go under 3:45. Given what Jakob needed to hit 3:46 mid. It's unlikely he'd compete with El G, Noah Ngeny, or Noureddine Morceli. Plus, for someone like Jakob to have a 1% Increase in PB at his age and level of fitness would be doping levels of Insanity. His 1500m PB under the greatest momentum at the Olympic Finals only transitions to 3:43.51 *If he held it an extra 109.344m*. At age 23, Hicham DID have a similar 1500 PB to Jakob at 3:28.91 BUT, Hicham was already a 3:44 Miler. So his strength was Certainly better.
2000m (4:50.01 — Unlikely to PB on a rare event)
3000m (7:25.60 - 7:26.50) — He's a strong runner but I definitely don't see him going below 7:25. Given his focus on the 1500m will be his downfall. He does have Sub-7:25 potential if he smartly shifts from the 1500.
Two Miles (8:03-8:05) — Hitting a Sub-8 just isn't in Jakob's capacity. Guy barely dipped below 4:00/mile pace for 3K let alone hold it another 200m
5000m (12:40-12:45) — IF he plays it smart and starts focusing on the 5K like Komen did around the same time he was in his 1500 prime. He definitely could go below 12:40. But, I feel like Yared Nuguse's rise and Getting upset by Jake Wightman at World's is certainly getting to Jakob. So he'll most likely be laser focused on the 1500 especially with World's and Olympics in the next Two years.
10,000m (Sub 27:10) — For some reason It's pretty rare for many Sub 3:30 1500/13:00 5K runners to actually perform well at the 10K level. Only exception was Mo Farah. But beyond him — Komen (27:38), Lagat (27:47), and a couple others. ***Granted, I do believe Gebrselassie in 1998 (3:31.76 Indoor 1500) would've been a Sub-3:30 guy but, we never got to see it.
and Given The usual patterns of Distance greats, I don't see Jakob becoming a road runner or Marathoner. Atleast not while he's in his 20s by his 30s he'd probably fade and be like 1:00-1:02 Half Marathon / Sub-2:10 Marathoner and Just call it quits. Huge speculation but many Greats rarely care for the Marathon.
As much as I'd like for Ingebrigtsen to be the #1 Mid Distance Runner in the world. I just don't see it happening. He'll likely peak by 2028 Olympics and Based on how he has ran since 2020, It could be something in the realm of:
1500m (3:27.50-90) Current: 3:28.32
Mile (3:45.90-Current PB) Current: 3:46.46 — He needed a Pacelight + Supershoes to barely be below the European Record of Cram in Oslo. Don't see a race that'll give him better conditions and exact pacing. Though, if he has yet to reach his peak, I can definitely see him going under 3:46. But, I'd be a betting man to say he'd likely never go under 3:45. Given what Jakob needed to hit 3:46 mid. It's unlikely he'd compete with El G, Noah Ngeny, or Noureddine Morceli. Plus, for someone like Jakob to have a 1% Increase in PB at his age and level of fitness would be doping levels of Insanity. His 1500m PB under the greatest momentum at the Olympic Finals only transitions to 3:43.51 *If he held it an extra 109.344m*. At age 23, Hicham DID have a similar 1500 PB to Jakob at 3:28.91 BUT, Hicham was already a 3:44 Miler. So his strength was Certainly better.
2000m (4:50.01 — Unlikely to PB on a rare event)
3000m (7:25.60 - 7:26.50) — He's a strong runner but I definitely don't see him going below 7:25. Given his focus on the 1500m will be his downfall. He does have Sub-7:25 potential if he smartly shifts from the 1500.
Two Miles (8:03-8:05) — Hitting a Sub-8 just isn't in Jakob's capacity. Guy barely dipped below 4:00/mile pace for 3K let alone hold it another 200m
5000m (12:40-12:45) — IF he plays it smart and starts focusing on the 5K like Komen did around the same time he was in his 1500 prime. He definitely could go below 12:40. But, I feel like Yared Nuguse's rise and Getting upset by Jake Wightman at World's is certainly getting to Jakob. So he'll most likely be laser focused on the 1500 especially with World's and Olympics in the next Two years.
10,000m (Sub 27:10) — For some reason It's pretty rare for many Sub 3:30 1500/13:00 5K runners to actually perform well at the 10K level. Only exception was Mo Farah. But beyond him — Komen (27:38), Lagat (27:47), and a couple others. ***Granted, I do believe Gebrselassie in 1998 (3:31.76 Indoor 1500) would've been a Sub-3:30 guy but, we never got to see it.
and Given The usual patterns of Distance greats, I don't see Jakob becoming a road runner or Marathoner. Atleast not while he's in his 20s by his 30s he'd probably fade and be like 1:00-1:02 Half Marathon / Sub-2:10 Marathoner and Just call it quits. Huge speculation but many Greats rarely care for the Marathon.
Just my 2cents, It could go some way.
Your 2 cents is as good an analysis as I've seen here. But that will damn it in the eyes of the morons.
As much as I'd like for Ingebrigtsen to be the #1 Mid Distance Runner in the world. I just don't see it happening. He'll likely peak by 2028 Olympics and Based on how he has ran since 2020, It could be something in the realm of:
1500m (3:27.50-90) Current: 3:28.32
Mile (3:45.90-Current PB) Current: 3:46.46 — He needed a Pacelight + Supershoes to barely be below the European Record of Cram in Oslo. Don't see a race that'll give him better conditions and exact pacing. Though, if he has yet to reach his peak, I can definitely see him going under 3:46. But, I'd be a betting man to say he'd likely never go under 3:45. Given what Jakob needed to hit 3:46 mid. It's unlikely he'd compete with El G, Noah Ngeny, or Noureddine Morceli. Plus, for someone like Jakob to have a 1% Increase in PB at his age and level of fitness would be doping levels of Insanity. His 1500m PB under the greatest momentum at the Olympic Finals only transitions to 3:43.51 *If he held it an extra 109.344m*. At age 23, Hicham DID have a similar 1500 PB to Jakob at 3:28.91 BUT, Hicham was already a 3:44 Miler. So his strength was Certainly better.
2000m (4:50.01 — Unlikely to PB on a rare event)
3000m (7:25.60 - 7:26.50) — He's a strong runner but I definitely don't see him going below 7:25. Given his focus on the 1500m will be his downfall. He does have Sub-7:25 potential if he smartly shifts from the 1500.
Two Miles (8:03-8:05) — Hitting a Sub-8 just isn't in Jakob's capacity. Guy barely dipped below 4:00/mile pace for 3K let alone hold it another 200m
5000m (12:40-12:45) — IF he plays it smart and starts focusing on the 5K like Komen did around the same time he was in his 1500 prime. He definitely could go below 12:40. But, I feel like Yared Nuguse's rise and Getting upset by Jake Wightman at World's is certainly getting to Jakob. So he'll most likely be laser focused on the 1500 especially with World's and Olympics in the next Two years.
10,000m (Sub 27:10) — For some reason It's pretty rare for many Sub 3:30 1500/13:00 5K runners to actually perform well at the 10K level. Only exception was Mo Farah. But beyond him — Komen (27:38), Lagat (27:47), and a couple others. ***Granted, I do believe Gebrselassie in 1998 (3:31.76 Indoor 1500) would've been a Sub-3:30 guy but, we never got to see it.
and Given The usual patterns of Distance greats, I don't see Jakob becoming a road runner or Marathoner. Atleast not while he's in his 20s by his 30s he'd probably fade and be like 1:00-1:02 Half Marathon / Sub-2:10 Marathoner and Just call it quits. Huge speculation but many Greats rarely care for the Marathon.
As much as I'd like for Ingebrigtsen to be the #1 Mid Distance Runner in the world. I just don't see it happening. He'll likely peak by 2028 Olympics and Based on how he has ran since 2020, It could be something in the realm of:
1500m (3:27.50-90) Current: 3:28.32
Mile (3:45.90-Current PB) Current: 3:46.46 — He needed a Pacelight + Supershoes to barely be below the European Record of Cram in Oslo. Don't see a race that'll give him better conditions and exact pacing. Though, if he has yet to reach his peak, I can definitely see him going under 3:46. But, I'd be a betting man to say he'd likely never go under 3:45. Given what Jakob needed to hit 3:46 mid. It's unlikely he'd compete with El G, Noah Ngeny, or Noureddine Morceli. Plus, for someone like Jakob to have a 1% Increase in PB at his age and level of fitness would be doping levels of Insanity. His 1500m PB under the greatest momentum at the Olympic Finals only transitions to 3:43.51 *If he held it an extra 109.344m*. At age 23, Hicham DID have a similar 1500 PB to Jakob at 3:28.91 BUT, Hicham was already a 3:44 Miler. So his strength was Certainly better.
2000m (4:50.01 — Unlikely to PB on a rare event)
3000m (7:25.60 - 7:26.50) — He's a strong runner but I definitely don't see him going below 7:25. Given his focus on the 1500m will be his downfall. He does have Sub-7:25 potential if he smartly shifts from the 1500.
Two Miles (8:03-8:05) — Hitting a Sub-8 just isn't in Jakob's capacity. Guy barely dipped below 4:00/mile pace for 3K let alone hold it another 200m
5000m (12:40-12:45) — IF he plays it smart and starts focusing on the 5K like Komen did around the same time he was in his 1500 prime. He definitely could go below 12:40. But, I feel like Yared Nuguse's rise and Getting upset by Jake Wightman at World's is certainly getting to Jakob. So he'll most likely be laser focused on the 1500 especially with World's and Olympics in the next Two years.
10,000m (Sub 27:10) — For some reason It's pretty rare for many Sub 3:30 1500/13:00 5K runners to actually perform well at the 10K level. Only exception was Mo Farah. But beyond him — Komen (27:38), Lagat (27:47), and a couple others. ***Granted, I do believe Gebrselassie in 1998 (3:31.76 Indoor 1500) would've been a Sub-3:30 guy but, we never got to see it.
and Given The usual patterns of Distance greats, I don't see Jakob becoming a road runner or Marathoner. Atleast not while he's in his 20s by his 30s he'd probably fade and be like 1:00-1:02 Half Marathon / Sub-2:10 Marathoner and Just call it quits. Huge speculation but many Greats rarely care for the Marathon.
Just my 2cents, It could go some way.
Your 2 cents is as good an analysis as I've seen here. But that will damn it in the eyes of the morons.