You can go back and forth and still the "not white" and "inculte people" (aka people from low GPD countries descent) make your times and global titles.
There will be no "white" renaissance... just look at the England team in FIFA 2022.
A runner made from milk and cheese will never equal a runner to run to survive.
You can go back and forth and still the "not white" and "inculte people" (aka people from low GPD countries descent) make your times and global titles.
There will be no "white" renaissance... just look at the England team in FIFA 2022.
A runner made from milk and cheese will never equal a runner to run to survive.
You can go back and forth and still the "not white" and "inculte people" (aka people from low GPD countries descent) make your times and global titles.
There will be no "white" renaissance... just look at the England team in FIFA 2022.
A runner made from milk and cheese will never equal a runner to run to survive.
You can go back and forth and still the "not white" and "inculte people" (aka people from low GPD countries descent) make your times and global titles.
There will be no "white" renaissance... just look at the England team in FIFA 2022.
A runner made from milk and cheese will never equal a runner to run to survive.
How many more gold medals do non-Africans have to win before it becomes clear that the African domination of the last 30 years was due to EPO and the lack of testing? Olympic 1500 champion, World 1500 champion, World 5000 champion.
This weekend Keely Hodgkinson runs the fastest ever 600m indoors by a woman, Sam Atkins breaks Mo Farah's doped up British record, and George Mills, realistically the 5th or 6th best miler in Britain last year, destroys some of the best Ethiopians and Spanish over 1500. An Australian 16 year old almost breaks Jakob's age record for 1500. Woody Kincaid runs 12:51 indoors....
The only thing missing is the 800m, but with Nijel Amos, Saruni, and Bol all busted in the last 7 months, and Max Burgin and Jake Wightman around, that will change soon.
2 3:26.3 Bernard LAGAT (questionable positive for EPO in Aug 2003 - cleared) 3 3:26.7 Asbel KIPROP (positive for EPO in Nov 2017) 4 3:27.4 Noureddine MORCELI 5 3:27.6 Silas KIPLAGAT 6 3:28.1 Noah NGENY 7 3:28.3 Timothy CHERUIYOT 8 3:28.3 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN 9 3:28.7 Taoufik MAKHLOUFI (investigated for gym bag containing drug paraphernalia) 10 3:28.8 Mohamed KATIR 11 3:28.8 Abdelaati IGUIDER 12 3:28.8 Elijah Motonei MANANGOI (whereabouts failure in 2019) 13 3:28.8 Mo FARAH (doorbell) 13 3:28.8 Ronald KWEMOI 15 3:28.9 Fermín CACHO (doctor testified he treated him with testosterone in Barcelona in 1992) 16 3:29.0 Mehdi BAALA 17 3:29.0 Daniel Kipchirchir KOMEN 18 3:29.0 Josh KERR 19 3:29.1 Rashid RAMZI (positive for CERA (EPO) in Apr 2009) 20 3:29.2 Vénuste NIYONGABO 21 3:29.2 Jake WIGHTMAN 22 3:29.3 William CHIRCHIR 23 3:29.5 Saïd AOUITA 23 3:29.5 Daniel KOMEN (positive for caffeine in July and Sep 1996) 25 3:29.5 Augustine Kiprono CHOGE 26 3:29.5 Caleb Mwangangi NDIKU 27 3:29.5 Ali SAIDI-SIEF (positive for nandrolone at World Championships 2001) 27 3:29.5 Stewart MCSWEYN 29 3:29.5 Amine LAALOU (positive for furosemide (diuretic) in Aug 2012; positive for EPO in Apr 2016) 30 3:29.6 Abel KIPSANG 31 3:29.6 Ayanleh SOULEIMAN (Coach is Jama Aden) 32 3:29.7 Nick WILLIS 33 3:29.7 Steve CRAM 34 3:29.8 Sydney MAREE 34 3:29.8 Sebastian COE
[No, Lagat's 3:26.34 (when he was a Kenyan in 2001) should absolutely not count as the American record.]
Not technically true as Lagat ran 3:27.40 while an American citizen though he was still representing Kenya until the following year. But he certainly ran 3:29 a couple times while an American representing America as well.
[No, Lagat's 3:26.34 (when he was a Kenyan in 2001) should absolutely not count as the American record.]
The American record is Lagat’s 3:27.40 from 2004, not his 3:26. I don’t think it should count given he competed for Kenya at the Olympics that year, but he also ran 3:29.30 in 2005 and 3:29.68 in 2006, so he needs to be on the list.
[No, Lagat's 3:26.34 (when he was a Kenyan in 2001) should absolutely not count as the American record.]
Not technically true as Lagat ran 3:27.40 while an American citizen though he was still representing Kenya until the following year. But he certainly ran 3:29 a couple times while an American representing America as well.
But OP that posted this thread had this central idea in his mind or subconscient.
The title himself of the tread is quite subjective.
I am the OP and I am not claiming anything about who the correct answer to this question is. Honestly, I am more interested in the criteria you use to find the "clean WR holder" than the answer itself. I am just curious how you came to your choice.
I, personally, would rule out the following runners:
a) have already been busted for doping b) peaked in the height of the pre-testing EPO era (1990-2000) c) suddenly became very good after years of competing at a “normal” elite level d) worked directly with a coach (or national federation) who has been known to use drugs with other athletes or e) got much slower after testing protocols were introduced.
But this is just me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, obviously. Who would you pick?
But OP that posted this thread had this central idea in his mind or subconscient.
The title himself of the tread is quite subjective.
BTW, the "idea" isn't that there is a big gap between European and African runners in an ethical sense (they BOTH dope), but in different nations' approaches to anti-doping. For example, I am more confident that Germany will bust their own dopers (Dieter Baumann comes to mind) than I am for Russia. You agree with that, right? That isn't about race, that is about culture.
And there is nothing "subconscious" about it at all. I consciously know that different cultures have different attitudes about every aspect of sport and doping. That is what makes us all different - Russia is not Kenya. Kenya is not Japan. Algeria is not Ethiopia. Etc. All those countries have had doping busts but they don't all have the same anti-doping values. Who do you believe was really 100% clean when he made the sub-3:30 list?
I picked Jakob based on essentially your entire criteria there and it got voted down so I guess people think J.I is on the sawce too.
I've not seen any evidence or suspicion on Jakob but some people here seem very dubious.. Why I think he has a good hance of being clean:
1. Always been good. In fact, always been the best, there is no spike in performance
2. From a quick family, good stock
3. His dad coached him.. you'd want to be a total scumbag to juice your kids.. no mom would let it happen..
4. They invited live TV cameras into their lives for years. This a totally unnecessary risk if stuff going down.
5. His peers and competitors, e.g. the ones coffee club - seem to love him. Contrast this with the attitudes toward suspected people.
Hendrik was supposedly listed as a person of interest on that leaked report, but I didnt see anything there and there were a lot of names listed. Maybe it's this and him being good (still, as he has been since 13) that make people suspicious.
Impossible to say for sure but I can't see a reason to put jingy on the naughty list. Not comment ting on the rest of them.. always a fan of el g, but few doubts snuck into my mind there and cant shake them (the fact it was from a non testing era and prompt retirement at young age when testing came in being the main one).
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