Cook and Valby's training vs Tuohy's mileage

Something that seems to lack attention is that it is not just the amount of mileage, but also the intensity of the miles. The Ingebrigtsen’s perform a lot of reps in their ‘threshold’ workouts, but those reps are (approx.) a full minute slower than their 1500m race pace. They are being done at near their marathon pace (equivalent for a 3:28 1500m athlete.)

That is a considerably different way of training than typical Daniels, and likely much different than what Solinsky (or any other NCAA distance coach) is used to.

The following article explains it. Note also the prehab attention in consideration of running in spikes:

aftenposten.no

Jakob og Filip Ingebrigtsen: Åpner opp om løperlivet etter Gjert

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”Team Ingebrigtsen shuns risk and resorts to high-volume fitness-based threshold training, instead of training at competitive speed.
The threshold is where the body gets rid of lactic acid as quickly as it is produced. A lactate meter is needed to find this point.
- We have to run insanely fast in competition, but we almost never train at that speed. It only happens in the middle of summer, he continues.
Take the day before VG visits: Six-minute intervals at 20 km/h in the morning. In the evening, 500 meters at a speed of 21–22 km/h. Total volume around 32 kilometres.
Jakob maintained a speed of 25.9 km/h when he took the Olympic gold in the 1500 metres. And Filip's personal record for the same distance – 3:30.01 – corresponds to 25.7 km/h.
Their program only exceptionally contains intervals longer than six minutes, and then at an even lower speed.
- Too much and too hard, says Filip about the most common misunderstanding many people have about how to train to get fast.
This is where the Ingebrigtsen family believes there is another path to becoming the world's best than the one taken by Hicham El Guerrouj. He used to run 30–45 minutes continuously at a speed of up to 20–21 km/h and 1000 meters at 24 km/h.
- I do much of the same as I have done for the past five years, with a little tweak. But only based on the same training, I have had a progression in the results, says Jakob.”

And running doesn't?

It does. It also drmatically increases the risk of injury in an already injury-prone athlete.

Let's imagine you are Valby's coach. You know she has tremendous potential but she also get recurring injuries when you get her to run 40+ m/w.
What would you do to increase her VO2 Max?

I'm surprised she is a runner if she can't run more than 25mpw. It's a bit like a boxer who can't train in the ring for risk of injury.

Hard to see everyone falling to a lie and stupidly arguing around it. Sources say Valby runs 40+ miles. 35mpw long run plus really hard track workouts and 2hrs+/day 4x week cross training.

No doubt. Parker Valby trains a ton. She is not undertrained. She works like hell.

The 40 would be consistent with how she answered the question in Stillwater (increased a lot since hs), but not with what her coach said in Stillwater. That is what leaves me puzzled - how the 2 responded very differently.

maximum vs. average miles/week? not counting some easy runs (although the easy runs are probably replaced by crosstraining anway?) There plausible explanations for differences besides lying.

I am an assistant high school coach. We had the state champ in the 3200 last who ran 10:30. The head coach told other coaches and the media that she was doing 45 MPW because that is what his schedule laid out for the seniors but when I checked her strava, she had never done more than 37. A lot of the days when we dictate 5-8 for the top runners, she did 6. And on workout days when we laid out 2-3 mile cooldown, she did 2. I just think Solinsky has a number that he is saying that is close but may not be precise.

You are surprised that she stuck with running even though she was a state champ and now is on her way to becoming a professional runner? That is like being surprised that someone went into engineering because they never had to study in math or science class becuase it came so easy to them.

But you didn't answer the question, which was very pertinent.

Weird logic. Tuohy has had sig injury already in college. Not sure who is more fragile yet.

and what injury was that?

Could you elaborate on prehap spike thing? The article link is wonky for me.

She didn't have any injuries. She just ran poorly several times.

Tuohy's major knee surgery.

She was never injured. She just needed time away.

do you mean the procedure she had done before she went to college on the knee which first acted up when she was a junior in high school? That doesn't seem like "Tuohy has had sig injury already in college" as some uniformed poster (or 2) wrote.

yea, it is amazing they didn't cut her from the team. [sarcasm for those w/o common sense]