Jump on the bandwagon now. Parker Valby is officially a SENSATION!!! Should we hand her the NCAA 5000 and 10,000 records now?

No you impugned a runner’s character with no evidence. Your way of walking it back renders you even more pathetic.

How about we just drop the doping discussions.

So I should not have changed my view based on better facts? Ok. Again, I did not create the problem. This sport is rife with doping. When people are shouting about new sensations, the questions ask themselves.

Were you an athlete? To predicate your doping suspicions during a cross country season with inevitable fluctuations in performance on this very fluctuation manifests a naïveté which renders you void of credibility.

Im not at all shocked that your spin on the NCAA discussion is to bring up the tragic Huntington situation and say "yeah but what about that NAIA situation... proves that all them college kids will do whatever it takes...". What a scum bag approach. As you well now this stuff is happening RIGHT NOW. this isnt stuff we uncovered from years ago. There are TEENAGERS that are in denial and still effected by adults TODAY. And rather than shutting the f up and trying to get these kids help your reaction to is to say "see, all them kids that are running fast today are doping too". Its a despicable approach. And as you well know, it will be at the expense of 18 year olds who are alive and running NOW. But who cares as long as it helps your favorite runner right? Do you know that Tuohy doesnt want this help? Do you know she wants to win on her own accord and doesnt need anonymous nobodies on the internet declaring themselves the authority on these things in an effort to try to help her out?

I actually agree that xc results are way too variable.

Valby served as a fast pacer, leading to pr's. This is someone willing to take the pace, someone who led NCAA xc already last year. But the size of those pr's really suggests another short, flat course.

Why is the thread author listed as Rojo? Did he decided to hijack another good thread and make it his own by changing the title?

But consider this:

”the men’s times look very reasonable given everyone’s pbs. Valby is just really, really good. She beat Arkansas’ Sydney Thorvaldson (11th in 20:00.06), who is a 16:00 woman, by nearly 95 seconds.

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“…looking at the track 5,000 PRs of some of the other runners, their times today were pretty much in line with what they could do on an exceptionally fast course. And in the men’s race, as incredible as the times seem, most of the runners have run 5s or 10s on the track that make today’s times look fairly realistic if the course was fast enough to be only about 7-8 seconds per mile slower than the track. That’s a super-fast course for sure, but not impossibly fast. So bottom line, I’m thinking Valby’s time indicates a potential track 5,000 in the 14:40 range – assuming the course actually is accurate. After all, Valby beat a 16:00 runner by 1:34, which would be a 1:18 margin of victory in a 5k. Looking at low 14:40s if those stats hold up.”

The source of that was the article on the LRC front page.

so, 3 sub 15:00 runners in NCAA this year?

Tuohy's story is 1 in 100 million.

one other thing J Gault may want to consider: Thorvaldson had mono early in the season and has been struggling to get back to form. Loral Winn, who beat Thorvaldson ran 17:15 at VA in 5K or 30- 40 seconds behind Appleton, Menninger and Barnett of VA who were all 50 seconds behind Tuohy today. Boogard of Ole Miss was 15 seconds behind Winn at VA and 20 seconds behind her today,

So does that mean Chelangat can run 14:48? People are guessing and cherrypicking results to arrive at supposed conversions. Good luck.

Valby wasn't the only athlete to 'lead' xc last year so not sure why that is significant. She runs at the front, as do a lot of runners.

Valby was exactly tied with McCabe at ncaas last year in the splits at 2k and 4k. They both lead, in a group. At 4k there were 4 additional runners within .2 seconds. At the 5k split Valby had dropped to 18th.