New detailed info about Shelby/btc relationship

If I was Grant Fisher, I'd be suing Shelby to make her go away. Her association with the team makes him look like a cheater. He just had one of the greatest seasons of any US male distance runner and her presence taints his reputation, which ultimately costs him money.

Grant Fisher

Elise Cranny

Karissa Schweizer

Kiera D'Amato

Galen Rupp

Matt Centrowitz

nothing. Just wanted to list out a random list of runners.

This lady knows where some bodies are buried, that’s for sure.

Why haven’t the Brojos said anything yet?

They prefer to troll anonymously.

Landis tested positive for synthetic roids, denied and denied, accused the lab of conflict of interested, went to CAS and beyond and lost. Sound familiar?

Four years later he started implicating his various teammates, something BTC wants to avoid obviously. Then Armstrong said, it's his word against ours and so on. So hilarious in hindsight.

Unless you'd be afraid that suing her would make her pull a Landis.

You are still subject to drug tests when serving your ban

Or she is innocent and her mental health is at an all time low ....think about that for a second before you judge her !!!!

Ok. We thought about it.

anyways I’m not sure that hanging around her old team is good for her when serving a ban. There are other things you can do to keep your mind off things.

Newsflash. She was already judged and found guilty of taking banned drugs. Has nothing to do with my or your opinion. The fact that you’re still naive enough to think she’s innocent after all the scientific facts about offal ingestion(or not) and all the evidence against her is your problem.

I just see it as someone who had their life flipped upside down and is trying to make it somewhat bearable. She CAN'T compete. That is the bottom line. How is she harming anyone? Everyone else in btc still has to pass their drug tests just like her.

Right. She can't compete yet she did anyway. How did she harm anyone? In that race the legitimate first place finisher got second place money, the second place finisher got third place money, and the woman who should have gotten third place money got nothing.

PS,

One more comment on the who did she harm thing. Have you noticed the number of posts, not just on this thread but on others, where people express skepticism about the legitimacy of Grant Fisher's performances? Why? It's not because of anything Fisher's done but a LOT of it is because he's associated with a club that had a prominent doping bust. Someone on this thread suggested that Fisher should sue her for damage to his reputation. And to take this a step further, she, and other drug cheats, harm the ENTIRE sport and every legitimate competitor at the national and international level by generating suspicion about their achievements.

I don't think there has ever been an athlete here on LetsRun as hated as Shelby H.

There’s no hate here. I really couldn’t care less but it’s the lack of integrity and letting it go would open the door for others to do it.

Putting away all of the issues with the case. The ban happened and there are specific guidelines to follow, no contact or training / racing with teams etc.

What evidence do we have this happened:

- Training camps:

Expected: being at a different location and different time that the previous team

Reality: living with a former teammate who’s place is being paid for by the team during a training camp

- Runs:

Expected: Maybe passing the group or bumping in on some runs.

reality: waiting for the group on the same routes, joining them for portions of their run, lifting at the same time as the team. All shows intent to break the rules

To me this says someone thinks they are above the system that the either think they can get away with stuff because they have in the past or told they cold. The character is this type of person shouldn’t be trusted and will call into questions their stance of previous issues. If these statements are true their are clear violations or intent to bend the rules to her favor as much as possible. Innocent people with integrity wouldn’t do this.

Don't think I could have said it better than the above poster, but I am tired of being called a "hater" because I've expressed disgust at someone flagrantly breaking the rules, pretending the system is "broken" because they caught her and trying to burn everything down rather than face the consequences. Shelby did this to herself.

There was no Shelby H hate before her ban and subsequent actions. People saw her as a bad a$$ and someone who had a lot of talent and could potentially bring home a medal.

Something else I want to point out.

The writer of this article, David Veenstra is an August 2022 graduate of ASU. Not a kid this time, but it seems like Shelby is once again trying to take advantage of someone young who will lick out of the palm of her hand. It looked like it was working until GDS made herself known.

I think this article does a bang up job. It could have been a little more two sided when it came to the CAS decision and the AIU, but Veenstra didn't shy away from GDS quotes and portrayed things fairly.

Um....ever heard of Galen Rupp?