It used to be normal for communal showering 30-40 years ago. Saw plenty of older dudes junk as a young teen. Now I'm an older dude with the same sagging body parts. It is our destructive society that made this not normal due to our collective "pedo around every corner" outlook.
Got news for everyone, they were always there before.
This is the creepiest thing I've ever read. It's "destructive" that kids are not showering with adults more and looking at their junk? This should also be allowed since pedophiles exist? I don't think this is quite the slam dunk you think it is.
The 80 year old sounds like a perf . watching somebody long enough to notice who that person is looking at is invasive in itself . But to be fair to the 80 year old it was probably the first time she had seen a penis in a very long time.
To be fair also, it is really difficult not to look at a penis dangling bare, irrespective of sexuality, probably some combination of animalistic sizing-up-the-other and the perverse economics of curtailed visual supply via modesty artificially increasing demand; irrespective even of age like even if it’s a little naked boy; and irrespective even of whether it’s a living form like a male statue of any depicted age with a dangle on display.
Here is the thing (or not, actually):
The old lady never saw a penis.
She asked if the other person had a penis. That was the harassment, going up to a person and asking if they had a penis.
The most disturbing thing is this: trans advocacy is not about protecting trans people (how should we define this category) from discrimination, it's about ignoring science and defining sex out of existence. The real, horrific end goal of some advocates is transhumanism. In actuality, this would amount to a billionaire-owned transhuman metaverse. Call me a Luddite, but I want to live freely as a human being in my natural body.
In the short run, girls and women are faced with the intrusion of psychosexual predators into formerly sex-segregated spaces. Some of the virtue-signaling "progressives" will pretend that there's no danger and that women in favor of sex-based rights are simply hating on feminine males who only want to live their lives in a way that feels authentic to them. Obviously these males exist (no, they're not females no matter how female-typical their personalities), but there are also deeply disturbed males whose female identification is sadistic and predatory. Denis Rader, the BTK serial killer from Kansas, literally said that he feels like he is part female. He privately dressed as a woman to pose for bondage photos to satisfy his sadistic sexual urges, then moved on to binding and killing actual women and their families. He had to do all this privately in 1970s and 80s Kansas, but you're fooling yourself if you think men with similar pathologies today will not take advantage of the "inclusive" social policies meant for people who don't pose a threat. And here's the key: women have no way of differentiating between these two types of men.
What if it's got nothing to do with the forthcoming transhuman metaverse, psychosexual predators or BDSM serial killers from the 70s? What if it's just trans people wanting to pee without being harassed?
You're being willfully ignorant of the ramifications of letting men use women's bathrooms. There are reasons men and women have separate spaces in the first place. You're missing the entire point of this "gender-identity" movement happening, which has nothing to do with where this particular trans person wants to take a piss.
The most disturbing thing is this: trans advocacy is not about protecting trans people (how should we define this category) from discrimination, it's about ignoring science and defining sex out of existence. The real, horrific end goal of some advocates is transhumanism. In actuality, this would amount to a billionaire-owned transhuman metaverse. Call me a Luddite, but I want to live freely as a human being in my natural body.
In the short run, girls and women are faced with the intrusion of psychosexual predators into formerly sex-segregated spaces. Some of the virtue-signaling "progressives" will pretend that there's no danger and that women in favor of sex-based rights are simply hating on feminine males who only want to live their lives in a way that feels authentic to them. Obviously these males exist (no, they're not females no matter how female-typical their personalities), but there are also deeply disturbed males whose female identification is sadistic and predatory. Denis Rader, the BTK serial killer from Kansas, literally said that he feels like he is part female. He privately dressed as a woman to pose for bondage photos to satisfy his sadistic sexual urges, then moved on to binding and killing actual women and their families. He had to do all this privately in 1970s and 80s Kansas, but you're fooling yourself if you think men with similar pathologies today will not take advantage of the "inclusive" social policies meant for people who don't pose a threat. And here's the key: women have no way of differentiating between these two types of men.
What if it's got nothing to do with the forthcoming transhuman metaverse, psychosexual predators or BDSM serial killers from the 70s? What if it's just trans people wanting to pee without being harassed?
You're right. Nobody in the history of humankind has ever exploited loopholes in policies meant to address a legitimate issue. Women have never been victimized by males pretending to be vulnerable in order to violate women's boundaries. None of the women on these boards have ever experienced such a thing. In addition, girls and women are never shamed and guilt-tripped into tolerating things with which they're deeply uncomfortable.
While you're going about your do-gooding, why don't you create some workshops and trainings to prevent men from harassing and abusing gender non-conforming boys and men?
I support the transgender community. I do not support a creep sitting watching little girls pull their swim suits down exposing their privates... while a creep stares at them. Any trafficker can say they are trans to scope out kids. For those of you want to say that does not happen...you are not keeping up with the trick and ways traffickers work. If you are in a YMCA women's dressing room you do NOT see women sitting and staring at little naked girls...only a creep does that. Trying to not discriminate against someone by discriminating against others is not okay.
What if it's got nothing to do with the forthcoming transhuman metaverse, psychosexual predators or BDSM serial killers from the 70s? What if it's just trans people wanting to pee without being harassed?
You're right. Nobody in the history of humankind has ever exploited loopholes in policies meant to address a legitimate issue. Women have never been victimized by males pretending to be vulnerable in order to violate women's boundaries. None of the women on these boards have ever experienced such a thing. In addition, girls and women are never shamed and guilt-tripped into tolerating things with which they're deeply uncomfortable.
While you're going about your do-gooding, why don't you create some workshops and trainings to prevent men from harassing and abusing gender non-conforming boys and men?
Given that there is certainly no proof of increased danger, what you’re doing is essentially fear mongering.
You're right. Nobody in the history of humankind has ever exploited loopholes in policies meant to address a legitimate issue. Women have never been victimized by males pretending to be vulnerable in order to violate women's boundaries. None of the women on these boards have ever experienced such a thing. In addition, girls and women are never shamed and guilt-tripped into tolerating things with which they're deeply uncomfortable.
While you're going about your do-gooding, why don't you create some workshops and trainings to prevent men from harassing and abusing gender non-conforming boys and men?
Given that there is certainly no proof of increased danger, what you’re doing is essentially fear mongering.
A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners.
A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners.
A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners.
A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners.
A "predatory and highly manipulative" rapist and paedophile has been jailed for life after a court heard how she used a transgender persona to attack female prisoners.
Abscence of evidence is not evidence of abscence. However, in this case you're dangerously, disgustingly wrong about there being "no evidence." Plenty of evidence of men, even trans women, raping other women, some in bathrooms. I'm not going to spend all day looking for these cases, these are just the articles I found on the first page of a Google search.
You're right. Nobody in the history of humankind has ever exploited loopholes in policies meant to address a legitimate issue. Women have never been victimized by males pretending to be vulnerable in order to violate women's boundaries. None of the women on these boards have ever experienced such a thing. In addition, girls and women are never shamed and guilt-tripped into tolerating things with which they're deeply uncomfortable.
While you're going about your do-gooding, why don't you create some workshops and trainings to prevent men from harassing and abusing gender non-conforming boys and men?
Given that there is certainly no proof of increased danger, what you’re doing is essentially fear mongering.
You want me to prove to you that allowing males to self-identify into girls and women's only spaces is more dangerous than sex segregation?
How about proof by logic (though you seem to be impervious to logic)? If a man sits on a park bench and exposes his penis to women, he's committing a crime. With a bathroon self-identification policy, that same man can walk into a women's locker room, do the exact same thing, then accuse any woman who reports him of being a bigoted transphobe. This policy literally redefines crimes as non-crimes all based on the perpetrator's subjectivity. The same is true of peeping toms.
In short, it is dangerous to decriminalize some of the most common sex crimes experienced by girls and women.
All fitness clubs with shower facilities (especially with open-pit showers with no privacy) attract the non-heterosexuals like iron on a magnet. The perverts loiter in the locker-room for hours with their cell phones in hand acting like they’re texting or whatnot, even though the video screens are active. And there are signs posted: “No child of the opposite sex over the age of six allowed.” and “No filming allowed.” I wonder why clubs feel the need to post such warnings? It’s sickening.
I stopped complaining years ago. The club staff look horrified whenever anyone complains – as if to say “Don’t you know they’ve got rights?”. "They" sure do. And "they" will use the media to publicly shame anyone who gets in their way. FWIW: It’s not just men in the women’s locker room. We’ve got two women that frequent our men’s locker room every day. The S.F. bay area is forever infested. I wouldn’t undress in any public place under any circumstances, let alone allow my child.
It used to be normal for communal showering 30-40 years ago. Saw plenty of older dudes junk as a young teen. Now I'm an older dude with the same sagging body parts. It is our destructive society that made this not normal due to our collective "pedo around every corner" outlook.
Got news for everyone, they were always there before.
Yes, communal naked showering and clothes-changing was normal in many gyms, health-club type facilities and school locker rooms 30-40 years ago. It still is in many locales and settings. But this is only true when it comes to facilities used by adults, adolescents and children who are of the same sex.
AFAIK, at no time in the past was it ever normal or customary in countries like the US and UK for health clubs, sports facilities and schools to require that girls and women share communal spaces outside the home for undressing, dressing, naked showering and toileting with adults, adolescents and tweens who are male.
In the USA, the informal custom and stated rule has always been that once boys reach 7/8, it's no longer appropriate for them to use women's locker rooms, changing rooms, fitting rooms, showers, saunas, toilets and other spaces where girls and women will be naked or semi-maked even if they are accompanied and supervised by their mums, sisters, nannies or other female carers.
I've not visited every country and culture in the world, but I've been abroad to an assortment of different places - and nowhere that I've traveled to is it the norm for total strangers, school mates, work colleagues, neighbors and random acquaintances of the opposite sex to undress and shower naked with one another.
I too "saw plenty of older dudes junk as a young teen" - but that's because when I was a young teen in the USA decades ago I was subjected to a lot of indecent exposure aka dick flashing by men and boys hell-bent on sexually harassing girls and young women. I still get sent an alarming number of "dick pics" electronically today. But in my whole life, I never, ever saw - nor would I expect to see - any "older dudes junk" in the flesh in the ladies' or girls' locker rooms and showers at school or in a facility like the local Y.
in other words, I dispute your bold claim that dicks "were always there before" in female locker rooms, showers and such.
To be honest, I and other women and girls never expected to see adult or adolescent males in any capacity - whether with their dicks and balls exposed, covered up or tucked - in ladies' locker rooms, toilets, showers and such until very recently when gender identity ideology introduced the rapey policies of male intrusion and dominance that are being peddled under the pretense that robbing female human beings of basic privacy, dignity, comfort and fairness is a progressive advance in human rights.
in other words, I dispute your bold claim that dicks "were always there before" in female locker rooms, showers and such.
Did he make such a claim? I seem to have missed it.
There we go again, questioning RunRagged whose “best practice” is to take something not said or entirely out of context and write a couple pages of transphobic blather on an anonymous online forum presumably because no one in the real world would give her any attention (beyond perhaps dickpics as she says).
All fitness clubs with shower facilities (especially with open-pit showers with no privacy) attract the non-heterosexuals like iron on a magnet. The perverts loiter in the locker-room for hours with their cell phones in hand acting like they’re texting or whatnot, even though the video screens are active. And there are signs posted: “No child of the opposite sex over the age of six allowed.” and “No filming allowed.” I wonder why clubs feel the need to post such warnings? It’s sickening.
I stopped complaining years ago. The club staff look horrified whenever anyone complains – as if to say “Don’t you know they’ve got rights?”. "They" sure do. And "they" will use the media to publicly shame anyone who gets in their way. FWIW: It’s not just men in the women’s locker room. We’ve got two women that frequent our men’s locker room every day. The S.F. bay area is forever infested. I wouldn’t undress in any public place under any circumstances, let alone allow my child.
True....I used to jokingly suggest to the owner of Gold's Gym that they sell a locker room only membership....
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