Diamond Leage are the BIG races. Do you think the quote for the real WR attempts is so extremely different?
How many 3ks are at the Olympics, WCs, ECs...?
Yes...I DO think the quote for the WR attempts is extremely different!
I know the 3000m is not in DL/WC/Oly. But the point I am trying to make is that actual attacks on the WR in both 3000m and 5000m have been scarce, and I want to make that point because some here think 7:20 is "soft" simply because it is an "off" distance compared to the 5000m.
Diamond Leage are the BIG races. Do you think the quote for the real WR attempts is so extremely different?
How many 3ks are at the Olympics, WCs, ECs...?
Yes...I DO think the quote for the WR attempts is extremely different!
I know the 3000m is not in DL/WC/Oly. But the point I am trying to make is that actual attacks on the WR in both 3000m and 5000m have been scarce, and I want to make that point because some here think 7:20 is "soft" simply because it is an "off" distance compared to the 5000m.
I (stubbornly) maintain that 7:20 beats 12:35.
As said, what you think is not important. The 5000m is run much more often than the 3000m - at any level.
As someone who has followed Jakob I. closely since he was 11 years old, let me say this: There has never been a 1500 or 5000 set up as a time trial for Jakob. Never. It was at record attempt at Bislett on 1 mile in June, where he nearly took the european record with 3.46, but other than that - no. (And that was before he started his month of preparing for the WC).
For Jakob to get the best possible time at 5k, he will need a "slow" start, then gradually faster. In the norwegian podcast "In the lange løp" last Friday, they talked to his brother Henrik after the race (5k). When asked; what time do you think Jakob would be able to run at a 5k now? The answer came fast: 12.40. I dont think anybody know Jakob better, so until there is a race set up for Jakob, with a couple of rabbits that give him the perfect race the first 11 rounds, we dont know. My guess? 12.38 now, but give him a couple of years with progression, and he will break the record in both 5000 and 1500. By the way, Jakob said in a interview recently that he is hard on himself for not just pushing harder in the 1500, because he know he was good for 3.27.
As someone who has followed Jakob I. closely since he was 11 years old, let me say this: There has never been a 1500 or 5000 set up as a time trial for Jakob. Never. It was at record attempt at Bislett on 1 mile in June, where he nearly took the european record with 3.46, but other than that - no. (And that was before he started his month of preparing for the WC).
For Jakob to get the best possible time at 5k, he will need a "slow" start, then gradually faster. In the norwegian podcast "In the lange løp" last Friday, they talked to his brother Henrik after the race (5k). When asked; what time do you think Jakob would be able to run at a 5k now? The answer came fast: 12.40. I dont think anybody know Jakob better, so until there is a race set up for Jakob, with a couple of rabbits that give him the perfect race the first 11 rounds, we dont know. My guess? 12.38 now, but give him a couple of years with progression, and he will break the record in both 5000 and 1500. By the way, Jakob said in a interview recently that he is hard on himself for not just pushing harder in the 1500, because he know he was good for 3.27.
Pacers and pacing lights are set up for a record pace from the very start of the race and it’s been that way for decades. You seem to think that Norwegians or a different type of human being compared to other elite runners.
Pacers and pacing lights are set up for a record pace from the very start of the race and it’s been that way for decades. You seem to think that Norwegians or a different type of human being compared to other elite runners.
I'm quite certain that you did not actually read (or comprehend?) Nor-way's excellent post.
As said, what you think is not important. The 5000m is run much more often than the 3000m - at any level.
The 3000m WR is not soft.
Stubbornness - I think you are right in this one.
This is a bit over the top, but the fact that numerous runners have gone 7:24.9-7:27 in the few times the DL/Continental Tour Gold/Indoor Tour meet has a remotely fast first 2K (5:02 or faster) means something. The record is ripe for a challenge if paced through 4:54-4:56 at 2,000. Put Krop, Girma and Jakob in there and one of them is running lightning fast. 1500m wise Jakob acknowledges he believes he’s in 3:27 shape. We know he’s in 12:45ish shape if not faster. This is very close if not superior to what Komen was when he set the record.
This is a bit over the top, but the fact that numerous runners have gone 7:24.9-7:27 in the few times the DL/Continental Tour Gold/Indoor Tour meet has a remotely fast first 2K (5:02 or faster) means something. The record is ripe for a challenge if paced through 4:54-4:56 at 2,000. Put Krop, Girma and Jakob in there and one of them is running lightning fast. 1500m wise Jakob acknowledges he believes he’s in 3:27 shape. We know he’s in 12:45ish shape if not faster. This is very close if not superior to what Komen was when he set the record.
I agree. It's too bad JI cannot fit in the Monaco 3000m. (I should look up up who is doing that.)
3000m needs some sort of special talents which seperates the distance from 5000m, 10000m and 1500m? What a nonsense.
El Guerrouj was seventh fastest in the 5000m, not fourth fastest.
El Guerrouj and Lagat both have a better pair of records in the 1500m and 5000m than JI.
Thanks for the correction - seventh fastest.
Yes, I still maintain that each distance has its own requirements, 7:20.67 does not look beatable by a 5k/10k specialist nor by a 1500m specialist. I don't think it's as simple as plotting a performance line. Note Geb was equal to Komen at 5k, two seconds back at 1500, but 5 seconds back at 3k (and Geb took WR attempts, he wanted the 3k record). So I think Komen had something very unique (and probably had something "unique" in his drinking water).
Skuj made a good point above that WR attempts at any distance have been very rare over the past 10-15 years. So we don't get to see what athletes are capable of, maybe THOUGHTSLEADER is right. But I would not pin Komen as "just" a 12:45 guy in 1996, it was paced but also came down to a battle where he broke Gebrselassie with 150 to go and Geb jogged it in. The next year Geb got revenge running 12:41 with a 55.x last lap. Not sure Ingebrigsten is on that level yet.
Anyway, Ingebrigsten's golds and PRs at 1500m and 5000m put him in very rare company. It would be a huge accomplishment to go 12:42 or 3:27.5, and even if he does both and becomes the best 15/5k doubler ever, I think 7:20 will still be very difficult. Also, I would not take low 12:40s for granted at all. I think that 12:48 race played to his strengths.
3000m needs some sort of special talents which seperates the distance from 5000m, 10000m and 1500m? What a nonsense.
El Guerrouj was seventh fastest in the 5000m, not fourth fastest.
El Guerrouj and Lagat both have a better pair of records in the 1500m and 5000m than JI.
Thanks for the correction - seventh fastest.
Yes, I still maintain that each distance has its own requirements, 7:20.67 does not look beatable by a 5k/10k specialist nor by a 1500m specialist. I don't think it's as simple as plotting a performance line. Note Geb was equal to Komen at 5k, two seconds back at 1500, but 5 seconds back at 3k (and Geb took WR attempts, he wanted the 3k record). So I think Komen had something very unique (and probably had something "unique" in his drinking water).
Skuj made a good point above that WR attempts at any distance have been very rare over the past 10-15 years. So we don't get to see what athletes are capable of, maybe THOUGHTSLEADER is right. But I would not pin Komen as "just" a 12:45 guy in 1996, it was paced but also came down to a battle where he broke Gebrselassie with 150 to go and Geb jogged it in. The next year Geb got revenge running 12:41 with a 55.x last lap. Not sure Ingebrigsten is on that level yet.
Anyway, Ingebrigsten's golds and PRs at 1500m and 5000m put him in very rare company. It would be a huge accomplishment to go 12:42 or 3:27.5, and even if he does both and becomes the best 15/5k doubler ever, I think 7:20 will still be very difficult. Also, I would not take low 12:40s for granted at all. I think that 12:48 race played to his strengths.
He closed a 2-mile in 7:21, there is no way he wasn’t in shape to run faster than 7:20.67. You’re crazy to think otherwise. And 3:27.5 is a decent bit slower than his PR btw. Thinking he couldn’t run low 12:40s after a 7:54 2-mile is also insane. In summary, all of your takes suck.
Yes, I still maintain that each distance has its own requirements, 7:20.67 does not look beatable by a 5k/10k specialist nor by a 1500m specialist. I don't think it's as simple as plotting a performance line. Note Geb was equal to Komen at 5k, two seconds back at 1500, but 5 seconds back at 3k (and Geb took WR attempts, he wanted the 3k record). So I think Komen had something very unique (and probably had something "unique" in his drinking water).
Skuj made a good point above that WR attempts at any distance have been very rare over the past 10-15 years. So we don't get to see what athletes are capable of, maybe THOUGHTSLEADER is right. But I would not pin Komen as "just" a 12:45 guy in 1996, it was paced but also came down to a battle where he broke Gebrselassie with 150 to go and Geb jogged it in. The next year Geb got revenge running 12:41 with a 55.x last lap. Not sure Ingebrigsten is on that level yet.
Anyway, Ingebrigsten's golds and PRs at 1500m and 5000m put him in very rare company. It would be a huge accomplishment to go 12:42 or 3:27.5, and even if he does both and becomes the best 15/5k doubler ever, I think 7:20 will still be very difficult. Also, I would not take low 12:40s for granted at all. I think that 12:48 race played to his strengths.
He closed a 2-mile in 7:21, there is no way he wasn’t in shape to run faster than 7:20.67. You’re crazy to think otherwise. And 3:27.5 is a decent bit slower than his PR btw. Thinking he couldn’t run low 12:40s after a 7:54 2-mile is also insane. In summary, all of your takes suck.
The constant assertions in these predictive threads about what a runner can do when they have never done it and probably never will. If it was as easy as you guys say we wouldn't be asking could he/they do it. He/they would have done it already.
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He closed a 2-mile in 7:21, there is no way he wasn’t in shape to run faster than 7:20.67. You’re crazy to think otherwise. And 3:27.5 is a decent bit slower than his PR btw. Thinking he couldn’t run low 12:40s after a 7:54 2-mile is also insane. In summary, all of your takes suck.
The constant assertions in these predictive threads about what a runner can do when they have never done it and probably never will. If it was as easy as you guys say we wouldn't be asking could he/they do it. He/they would have done it already.
It's not as simple. Jakob decided that day to go for the 2 mile world record and he clearly underestimated his form on the day, or took a careful approach to avoid blowing up. An athlete who runs 7:21 having already run 220m could have easily run 7:20 on the same day, under the same conditions.
He closed a 2-mile in 7:21, there is no way he wasn’t in shape to run faster than 7:20.67. You’re crazy to think otherwise. And 3:27.5 is a decent bit slower than his PR btw. Thinking he couldn’t run low 12:40s after a 7:54 2-mile is also insane. In summary, all of your takes suck.
The constant assertions in these predictive threads about what a runner can do when they have never done it and probably never will. If it was as easy as you guys say we wouldn't be asking could he/they do it. He/they would have done it already.
The constant assertions in these predictive threads about what a runner can do when they have never done it and probably never will. If it was as easy as you guys say we wouldn't be asking could he/they do it. He/they would have done it already.
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