GRANT FISHER WAS ROBBED

89 steps wrote:

RossiCheated wrote:

After watching that on a big screen, high def many, many times, I'm trying to figure out where the heck Fisher thought he was going? He is clearly running his legs inside of Krop, who is hugging the rail tightly. At that point in the race he surely needed to have his steps fall outside of Krop.

I'm not blaming him, or anyone else, but I can't figure out how he thought he was running the proper line at that point.

Krop never gave up the rail through to the finish. Fisher was in trouble even without the trip.

Krop didn't have inside position, he was trying to get outside Ingebrigtsen to sprint from there, but Ingebrigtsen pulled away so Krop went to the rail. His first step at rail position is where Fisher checked up. Krop impeded him, but I don't think it was DQ-worthy, he appeard to have some room. Fisher should have anticipated him sliding in and should have adjusted, but he was starting his sprint and didn't give himself a choice.

I don't know why people are complaining about Fisher's tactics, he was in a perfect position until he reacted poorly to Krop's move.

Ridgemonter wrote:

I've watched the reply at least a dozen times, and at super slow speed. While it's still not certain exactly what happened, this what I see.

1) I did not see Fisher step on the rail,. At least not before he started flailing.

2) I did not see contact with Mo. At least not before he started flailing.

3) I see Krop almost in lane 2.

4) I see Fisher almost on the rail.

5) I see Jakob start to pull away and Krop start to move back in.

6) Krop only had about 1/2 step on Fisher and Fisher was moving slightly faster.

7) Fisher starting running up on Krop and running out of room.

8) Fisher tries to chop his stride. He might be worried about hitting the rail. He's already going into a flail.

9) He might have slightly knocked the rail at this point. Impossible to tell. However, it was after the fact.

Basically, he ran out of room. Should Krop have moved as far over as he did. No. Was it egregious. No. There are running all out at the end of a 5k. It's packed. The blame is probably equally spread to Krop and Fisher. Fisher tactically put himself in a box. Krop moved over when he did not have sufficient room to do so (but this happens all the time).

It's wise to run on the rail during the race. It wise to run on the outside on the last lap, unless you are in the lead.

This is it! wrote:

Ridgemonter wrote:

I've watched the reply at least a dozen times, and at super slow speed. While it's still not certain exactly what happened, this what I see.

1) I did not see Fisher step on the rail,. At least not before he started flailing.

2) I did not see contact with Mo. At least not before he started flailing.

3) I see Krop almost in lane 2.

4) I see Fisher almost on the rail.

5) I see Jakob start to pull away and Krop start to move back in.

6) Krop only had about 1/2 step on Fisher and Fisher was moving slightly faster.

7) Fisher starting running up on Krop and running out of room.

8) Fisher tries to chop his stride. He might be worried about hitting the rail. He's already going into a flail.

9) He might have slightly knocked the rail at this point. Impossible to tell. However, it was after the fact.

Basically, he ran out of room. Should Krop have moved as far over as he did. No. Was it egregious. No. There are running all out at the end of a 5k. It's packed. The blame is probably equally spread to Krop and Fisher. Fisher tactically put himself in a box. Krop moved over when he did not have sufficient room to do so (but this happens all the time).

It's wise to run on the rail during the race. It wise to run on the outside on the last lap, unless you are in the lead.

This is by far the wisest appraisal here- Mr Krop did not rob Mr Fisher at all.

In the race I watched, regrettably for Mr Fisher, he ran himself into a box and suffered the consequences during the final sprint for the line. This was not the fault of Mr Krop.

/end of

This is it! wrote:

Ridgemonter wrote:

I've watched the reply at least a dozen times, and at super slow speed. While it's still not certain exactly what happened, this what I see.

1) I did not see Fisher step on the rail,. At least not before he started flailing.

2) I did not see contact with Mo. At least not before he started flailing.

3) I see Krop almost in lane 2.

4) I see Fisher almost on the rail.

5) I see Jakob start to pull away and Krop start to move back in.

6) Krop only had about 1/2 step on Fisher and Fisher was moving slightly faster.

7) Fisher starting running up on Krop and running out of room.

8) Fisher tries to chop his stride. He might be worried about hitting the rail. He's already going into a flail.

9) He might have slightly knocked the rail at this point. Impossible to tell. However, it was after the fact.

Basically, he ran out of room. Should Krop have moved as far over as he did. No. Was it egregious. No. There are running all out at the end of a 5k. It's packed. The blame is probably equally spread to Krop and Fisher. Fisher tactically put himself in a box. Krop moved over when he did not have sufficient room to do so (but this happens all the time).

It's wise to run on the rail during the race. It wise to run on the outside on the last lap, unless you are in the lead.

This is by far the wisest appraisal here- Mr Krop did not rob Mr Fisher at all.

In the race I watched, regrettably for Mr Fisher, he ran himself into a box and suffered the consequences during the final sprint for the line. This was not the fault of Mr Krop.

/end of

sdhfjksdh wrote:

Fisher did not step on the rail and whoever says so really can't see at all. Watch that video at 3:00 and put it in 1/4 speed.

This is, however, Fisher's fault for being in a stupid position for the second time in 2 races. He threw away two medals by marrying the inside rail.

What happens here is that he tries to pass inside of Krop because he didn't put himself in position to go wide, while the rest of the field (starting with Mo) is starting to move on the outside the way anyone with a brain would be positioned. Grant tries to go inside Krop, but Krop is ahead of him and drifts back in to protect his position, legally wrecking Grant's momentum. Grant tries to hold the position, makes a brushing contact of his right leg with Krops left leg, which pushes Grant's outside (right) foot to plant just inside the rail. Now Grant's inside (left leg is coming though in such a way as he would step on the rail or off the track so he counterrotates with his upper body to keep his feet in the track. At this point Mo is moving outside and around which leaves Grant nowhere to go so Grant has to rotate back to keep his feet on the track, which wipes out his forward momentum as the rest of the field begins passing him. He's now going out the back door and hangs on for 6th.

If he was on the other side of Krop's legs on that turn, he gets bronze at worst and quite possibly gets past Krop for the silver.

It was a great championships for Grant; we learned he is capable of double medaling which would have been amazing, but he needs to watch those tapes and get on the outside of lane 1 before 200m to go so anyone behind him has to go to lane 2 to get around. Going inside looked like it was going to be brilliant because he was behind Jakob so he could expect not to have someone slow down in front of him, but he was not fast enough to hold Krop outside. He should have took the outside instead, ran aside Krop (which he was doing) and then used the energy to try to slingshot past Krop forcing anyone behind to go to lane 2-3 to pass. By going inside, Krop expertly closed him off which ended his race right there. Mu did the same to Keeley in the 800m - dangled the inside line to her, then closed off the path once Keeley committed to it.

Time for Grant to watch tape. Maybe they need to do interval workouts where they repeatedly set up these kind of packs so he can practice positioning because he's totally capable of medalling in either or both events now.