Great great great wrote:
So what law do you refer to?
The World Anti-Doping Code(WADC).
The official press release for the ruling is here: https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Ad_Hoc_Media_Release_Beijing_8.pdf
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Wise Old Man wrote:
It’s implausible the coach did not know. She literally monitors every sip of water and morsel of food eaten by her athletes.
You can't possibly believe that is true.
Anyway, if it turns out that her grandfather is indeed taking this drug and then trace amounts ended up in her system, it seems like too much of a coincidence to ignore.
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Bound4Glory wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
It’s implausible the coach did not know. She literally monitors every sip of water and morsel of food eaten by her athletes.
You can't possibly believe that is true.
Anyway, if it turns out that her grandfather is indeed taking this drug and then trace amounts ended up in her system, it seems like too much of a coincidence to ignore.
I tend to agree.
I know that home taking of a variety of drugs; and g pa will be on loads; are taken in odd units at odd times and you can end up having to break tabs in half etc.Even with good big clear areas to work with things get messed up.Tabs or half smashed tabs go missing; such is the reality.
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Russia competes as the ROC bc THOUSANDS of its athletes were caught doping between 2011-2014. THOUSANDS. Any new doping cases need to be viewed in that context, and there should be a strong rebuttable presumption of guilt when a drug is detected. Age is irrelevant bc it just incentives using children to cheat. In fact, considering her age endangered more Russian children of getting caught up in this.
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Joe Daddy wrote:
Russia competes as the ROC bc THOUSANDS of its athletes were caught doping between 2011-2014. THOUSANDS. Any new doping cases need to be viewed in that context, and there should be a strong rebuttable presumption of guilt when a drug is detected. Age is irrelevant bc it just incentives using children to cheat. In fact, considering her age endangered more Russian children of getting caught up in this.
How do you hold a child responsible for what is fed at home?
There is already such guilt assumptions.
And evidence of “ thousands”.
Minors are treated differently in every other justice system.
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Great great great wrote:
Minors are treated differently in every other justice system.
After all is said and done, if there's no innocent explanation for why the test was positive, then I think you absolutely have to disqualify her Olympics results. Regardless of whether not she's 15 years old, regardless of whether or not she knew she was taking PEDs. You have to protect the other clean athletes. I just don't think we know enough right now, and I don't think the governing bodies know enough right now, to make that decision.
However, I also think that because of her young age, I'd be okay with lowering the length of her suspension from the sport in such a situation.
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Bound4Glory wrote:
Great great great wrote:
Minors are treated differently in every other justice system.
After all is said and done, if there's no innocent explanation for why the test was positive, then I think you absolutely have to disqualify her Olympics results. Regardless of whether not she's 15 years old, regardless of whether or not she knew she was taking PEDs. You have to protect the other clean athletes. I just don't think we know enough right now, and I don't think the governing bodies know enough right now, to make that decision.
However, I also think that because of her young age, I'd be okay with lowering the length of her suspension from the sport in such a situation.
It would depend upon what ban, if any ,the first Russian hearing set out.OR appeal of such.
IOC would have no hearing.
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Sprintgeezer wrote:
Right. The US started all of this bs, now it has to live with it. “Passionate kissing”. Give me a break.
The legal construct onto which this adjudication seems to map is that of the injunction, considering the “irreparable harm” language used. It is really an equitable construct, rather than a strict legal one. A plausible explanation for the source of the TMZ would support the grant of equitable relief, as it would factor into the consideration of the balance of equitable.
Valieva now leads, after the short program. The commentary provided by Tara and Johnny was predictably insipid. Johnny didn’t even know the name of the ruling body CAS, and Tara was paralyzed by the confusion that resulted from her ignorance on the issue. Pathetic. They should stick to their enjoyably shallow role as infotainers. The tide went out, and they were swimming naked.i still feel for the 15-year-old kid. This is what the F you get, a 15-year-old girl sobbing in what should be the happiest moment of her life. F Tara and Johnny and the skating establishment, what a bunch of turncoats and hypocrites. They were all too ready to jump on board the greatness of the Russian women’s program while it served their purposes and biases. Now they have thrown the virgin into the volcano.
All you ahole doping apologists are the same. You turn a blind eye to the brutality of the collateral damage. Take a good hard F’ing look at that kid sobbing at center ice. THAT is why I will never give up the fight.
F you.Agree with you here on the commentary. They are just trying to cover themselves for calling her the best ever without ever commenting on the system that churns out 15-yr-old phenoms every 2 years. (not even 4 years—the best from 2 years ago are barely clinging on to their technique and have to rely on overinflated judges' scores). Sure, you are taken aback, so confused and completely bewildered. They acted like it was a personal affront and only talked about how Valieva shouldn't be there, not ROC as a team. I know they can't just talk about rumors but ROC is there, not under Russia, for systemic doping so they could at least mention that.
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She has a couple more heart meds in her system. So 2 legal, one banned. Probably not from swigging same water as Grandpa then.11
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I have been a figure skating follower forever, because of my wife.
For anybody interested, here is a page that gives a direct understanding into how the Russians think about skating, and now about drugs. It is translated from Russian, enjoy:
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The key points from that article are this. Kamila declared she was taking three medications on her doping control form, all legal, and two of those are the other two that showed up in the test sample. Her mother said she took the drug because of heart "variations". Her grandfather actually had a sample of the banned substance in a video he provided.
There has to be a lot more to this story.
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One of those 2 other "substances" was L-cartinine. How many runners do take it? Are we gonna make a big splash out of Olympians taking amino acid supplements? The hate is getting out of control
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Let's state the facts.
1) She is the most talented figure skater ever. Like Bolt in sprinting. Those who follow figure skating know this.
2) She's currently tested/clean in Olympics, and protected, under 16
3) With the bad timing and being in Bejing she cannot defend herself properly
If she's suspended and then cleared - we have done an irreversible damage to her career, forcing her to miss Olympics
If she's allowed to compete and found guilty later after proper defense - she will lose her medals and get suspended.
It sounds logical that you don't issue a death sentence until the process is over, right?
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WellWellWell wrote:
Let's state the facts.
1) She is the most talented figure skater ever. Like Bolt in sprinting. Those who follow figure skating know this.
2) She's currently tested/clean in Olympics, and protected, under 16
3) With the bad timing and being in Bejing she cannot defend herself properly
If she's suspended and then cleared - we have done an irreversible damage to her career, forcing her to miss Olympics
If she's allowed to compete and found guilty later after proper defense - she will lose her medals and get suspended.
It sounds logical that you don't issue a death sentence until the process is over, right?
As a minor she should not have been exposed across the internet unless they decided to ban her. One of the people who leapt to attack her is one Travis Tygart, the head of USADA.
Tygart claims that find two substances in her sample that are NOT banned should be sufficient evidence to ban her. What a jerk. He was going to put one substance on his watch list and decided it wasn't worthy. Now he thinks it is worthy of a ban for an athlete who is a minor.
Tygart has lost his mind. He wants to ban people for using non-banned substances. Tygart is a clown. What he really wants to move the Silver medal U.S. team into the Gold position. The U.S. can prosecute Russian athletes, he now cries ... 10 years in jail and a $250,000 fine for a 15 year old for not testing positive during competition. And for using non-banned stuff.
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passed her test wrote:
The U.S. can prosecute Russian athletes, he now cries ... 10 years in jail and a $250,000 fine for a 15 year old for not testing positive during competition.
Look, I do understand that as an employee of the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, you're not a native English speaker. So you can be forgiven for your poor English reading comprehension.
But even a cursory reading of the article you linked to should make it clear that Tygart never threatened to prosecute the athlete, only the Russian officials responsible for this debacle.
And that's obviously justified, given the extent of the damage they've done to these Games.20 -
Taro wrote:
passed her test wrote:
The U.S. can prosecute Russian athletes, he now cries ... 10 years in jail and a $250,000 fine for a 15 year old for not testing positive during competition.
Look, I do understand that as an employee of the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, you're not a native English speaker. So you can be forgiven for your poor English reading comprehension.
But even a cursory reading of the article you linked to should make it clear that Tygart never threatened to prosecute the athlete, only the Russian officials responsible for this debacle.
And that's obviously justified, given the extent of the damage they've done to these Games.
Not the athlete for the $250.000 but Gramps.
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xclnt link sprinty.
reading the comments from the russians - it is patently obvious that they should all be banned for ever. appalling attitudes all round. one even accused the us of favouring fat black people over slender talented ones. insane.
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pupil3142 wrote:
xclnt link sprinty.
reading the comments from the russians - it is patently obvious that they should all be banned for ever.
Agree. Russia is culturally incompatible with the civilized world. It's a crime syndicate posing as a nation-state.
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Goldengrahams wrote:
She has a couple more heart meds in her system. So 2 legal, one banned. Probably not from swigging same water as Grandpa then.Well, there goes that dumb excuse.
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