Grant Fisher 12:53 - Drew Hunter 13:53- Drew Hunter is DONE.

I mean to be fair, that's not even competitive in d3. 

Also, if it's true he is coming off an injury 4 weeks ago, why race? If race, then why in God's name would you 'gut out' a 13:53 other than for the optics of your little channel? I've lost count of how many times Hunter (and others) have run injured and completely f'd themselves. Lack of maturity, lack of coaching, lack of confidence in the plan

He stuck with the lead pack until about 3500 m when they started moving.

Self-own.

All words and no substance. I want proof! Show me an athlete at NAU running in high school vs how they run now. 

How do we judge economy? How good are coaches at identifying it? At the moment, the evidence is pretty clear that coaches aren't the best judges of "good form". See this:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Visual classification of running economy by distance running coaches - PubMed

AbstractObjectives: This study assessed the ability of coaches to rank-order distance runners on running economy (RE) through visual assessment. Methods: Running economy was measured in five trained recreational distance runn...

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So, as ridiculous or illogical as the question may seem to you, it is still a good question. Making conjectures about form is what is absurd. 

I think the Tinmen are lame, but 13:53 is close to the D3 5k record.  

Cam and Joey were pacing the race! Cam had raced the 3K earlier.

The video of the "slow" heat is now up

Cool man. 😎 If you want to give it another shot when you're sober then go for it!

If your argument is that coaches have never fixed anyone's form, then you are delusional.

You are literally arguing that your running form when you are 3 years old will be your same running form when you are 25 years old.

Plus a CU education. If Hunter is really “done,” and I’m not even remotely suggesting that, then his done was a 3:35 and 13:17. Not horrible. But let’s be patient. He’s still young. 

He’s younger than Mantz. And I would like to think Mantz will have an 8-10 year career as a pro. 

Nico Young's form has change from HS in just 2 years.

Super young. The youngest. And only getting younger.

LOL

Yeah he'll be eternally young. He's been a pro for 6 years. Where is the jump coming from, is he finally going to hit puberty at 25?

I just watched that B race video, and Hunter got dropped like a hot potato. Just wasn't fit enough. Dylan Jacobs on the other hand, 3 years younger than Hunter, hung on like a champ. Now that guy's actually "young".

Drew "Benjamin Button" Hunter, LOL. His competition for national team spots is what's getting younger. The current crop of NAU, Stanford, Notre Dame, BYU guys will be toeing the line with high potential at the 2024 OT, maybe even with a couple of today's Newbury Park kids. $2.5M was supposed to be the practical means that made skipping the usual college experience a meaningful alternative. Except, as the saying goes, money doesn't love you and you can't eat money. It's the typical tax-and-spend response of throwing money at an issue without a firm plan to use the money wisely to achieve the intended outcome. $2.5M wasn't intended to be the ends, neither are 3:35 and 13:17. They were supposed to help form the path to accomplishment: making USA teams and competing for medals. The latter are what old young Hunter dreamed about, not the former. The means that the $2.5M were supposed to fund are the development to the point of those achievements, in the form of coaching and training partners. Except there was no great plan in place for those. The intention was that he could do better than the coaching and training environment at a powerhouse college program, and instead he chose something worse than that. $2.5M and 3:35/13:17 are really nice. Don't get it twisted, nobody doesn't want that. Just don't deny the fact that that's not what he was wanting the most in his heart when he turned pro.

I literally am not arguing that. That would be a dumb argument to make. There is a lot that happens between the ages of 3 and 25. 

I am not to sure how you came up with that, but here is some reading material to help you with my future posts: 

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I am arguing that the human eye, and our own perception of "good running form" is arbitrary. (Look at the study posted above). 

I won't argue that coaches haven't "fixed" form, but I will argue that it is not necessary. 

Yes, Sifan Hassan and Grant Fisher's form changed. Primarily the arms. Both have the same foot strike they had before, upright posture and Hassan still has a noticeable rotation of the upper body. 

Hassan has also lost a lot of weight. Fisher has also focused on running for the last 5-6 years. So, I wouldn't attribute a whole lot of success to their arms swing.

While you make valid points, you are surely mastering the obvious with your last sentence. None of this changes the fact that Hunter got $2.5 million, a CU degree ultimately, and times most can only dream about. Smart decision. 

The “young” statement is relative. Yes, he has way more competition from an earlier age. But he could still have an eight-year career as a pro if he can figure it out. Even if he doesn’t, well, he can “retire” and move on to life, unlike most runners on here who are probably “still chasing the dream” at age 28 without a good career in hand or a clue. 

If he is actually hurt.... how? 

He doesn't run very many miles, he doesn't run them hard, and his workouts aren't very impressive? 

I am not trying to insult the guy, I just don't understand how he is always getting hurt.